The Times today

[ToomuchHeat]

(Last line ‘mass exposure’)

"Herd tolerance" would be the death of Mumsnet!

So what’s the solution?

Vaccinating children.

@ToomuchHeat

So what’s the solution? How do we shut down the country? Cripple the economy? Stop our kids having an education? Answers on a postcard please

Everyone get vaccinated, extend it to younger people and literally noone go out for a month, no flights in or out. If no-ones goes out, the virus can't be transmitted, dies off, that's the end of it. Tumbleweeds for Covid.

Obviously that'll never happen for about a billion reasons, but that'd be the most effective and quickest solution.

@BoredZelda

So what’s the solution?

Vaccinating children.

The JCVI, who are experts in this field, don’t agree.

Government clearly think it's a big enough issue to be building long covid centres

They created "Nightingale Hospitals" too, and look what happened to those

When the centres are fully ready, staffed and operational it'll be interesting to look at it again, but don't expect me to be surprised if the funding's pissed away spent on something else instead, or if those employed to run them are still bogged down in committee meetings five years hence

literally noone go out for a month

that rates as the weirdest thing I have ever read on MN.

Literally no one go out for a month? So hospitals and emergency services just close for a month? Good one.

everyone dies in the care homes from neglect instead, women give birth at home with no access to regular medical care, electricity stops working....

All the prisoners starve to death?
Since no one is legit out enforcing laws, presumably the whole society goes feral. Lots of looting & violent crime.

I wonder how long running water would last for, WaxonWaxoff? Doesn't running water depend on electricity grid, too?

Imagine the panic buying prior to the month inside.

cooking fuel would be a top demand, unless you want lots of cold canned food & don't mind mouldy bread.

paper plates & disposable cutlery good too - since washing up will be impossible. No showers, no flush toilets. Composting toilets come in to their own, I guess.

Good and good to see deletions finally.

@FourTeaFallOut

It seems any criticism of our government gets deleted these days

Mumsnet would wither to an emaciated hub of Christmas and Gardening talk if that were true.

Ha wouldn’t it just.

Fanciful poster as always.

The quoted part that is.

Same old

That’s great news.

I understand long covid is a worry but from the initial information it sound as though it’s generally a case of lingering symptoms for 8-12 weeks and then full recovering. Yes some people still have symptoms a year + later but that’s v v rare. It’s a fairly normal post viral syndrome, we just have never had so many people infected with a virus at the same time so the rates seem huge compared to normal. I think the research into it and the specialist units being set up to support those with long covid are great but ultimately the fear of it wouldn’t put me off living me life (same for most people I know) x

Oh god meant to be a full stop not a kiss

Lingering symptoms for 8-12 weeks is not good news for teenagers going into years 11 or 13.

@BoredZelda

So what’s the solution?

Vaccinating children.

Let's see, the Americans are doing this, the Israelis, half of Europe...

We have agreed to vaccinate a portion of our most vulnerable children, but the vaccinations are nigh on impossible to access.

Valid point though.

@ToomuchHeat

So what’s the solution? How do we shut down the country? Cripple the economy? Stop our kids having an education? Answers on a postcard please

Give the pupils over 12 the vaccine that the MHRA have approved for ALL over 12s.

Don't be gaslighted by the government saying the JCVI have to assess the safety.
That is not the JCVI's job. They are there to advise the government on policy.
The organisation tasked with assessing drug and vaccine safety in the UK is the MHRA. They are uniquely positioned and qualified to do this. All the safety data go directly to the MHRA only.

Restricting the vaccine to CEV and CV over 12s will be to do with a balance between the vaccine supply the UK have secured (not enough) and the groups that need it. So the JCVI prioritise who gets the vaccine based on the safety data given to it by the MHRA. By not giving it to all over 12s, the JCVI is in no way saying it is not safe for them, but rather they are prioritising CEV and CV over 12s with the supply they have. Because there are other demands on supply such as boosters for NHS workers who had their second dose in January and are spending their days with huge exposure to the virus, older people given the second dose in the winter/spring, older people given AZ etc. Since the MHRA still believe the vaccine to be safe for ALL over 12s (including taking account on-going data monitoring), it is not an issue of safety.

@greygrass

Don't be gaslighted by the government saying the JCVI have to assess the safety. That is not the JCVI's job. They are there to advise the government on policy. The organisation tasked with assessing drug and vaccine safety in the UK is the MHRA. They are uniquely positioned and qualified to do this. All the safety data go directly to the MHRA only.

I haven’t heard people say this.

I agree with your take on roles of each but didn’t feel as anyone was trying to convince me otherwise

@greygrass

Restricting the vaccine to CEV and CV over 12s will be to do with a balance between the vaccine supply the UK have secured (not enough) and the groups that need it. So the JCVI prioritise who gets the vaccine based on the safety data given to it by the MHRA. By not giving it to all over 12s, the JCVI is in no way saying it is not safe for them, but rather they are prioritising CEV and CV over 12s with the supply they have. Because there are other demands on supply such as boosters for NHS workers who had their second dose in January and are spending their days with huge exposure to the virus, older people given the second dose in the winter/spring, older people given AZ etc. Since the MHRA still believe the vaccine to be safe for ALL over 12s (including taking account on-going data monitoring), it is not an issue of safety.

So do you think that with the supply we have available, over 12‘s should be prioritised over boosters for the NHS workers and elderly/vulnerable people then?

@CarryOnNurse20 I think you have only partial information. There is an element of pvf in long COVID from which people recover but increasing number of people are being discharged from long COVID clinics with diagnoses of permanent organ damage. My neighbour has lung scarring, I have lost some kidney function. These things can be lived with now but, in my case at least, may be more of a problem as I age.

FWIW I dont disagree with the decision to open up (though I would have kept masks mandatory for a bit longer) but I dont pretend there isnt going to be a health cost to this going forward.

The article is encouraging. I am still wary of letting it spread unchecked through children but that’s based on a DC of a friend who has gone from being really fit and into a sport to having to go to bed after school. Been referred to a paediatrician, there was a leukaemia scare but paediatrician has concluded Covid has caused them to have ‘sticky blood’ and it has also triggered another condition which will now need regular checking and then life long medication at some point.

Logically I know this is likely to be very rare but it has made me very twitchy as to what may be coming for some children further down the line and I think given that other countries are vaccinating DC over 12 I would prefer this to be the way forward.

Vaccines are working! Thanks goodness! All prays to the scientists that developed them and they are making them.
The thing that worries me a bit is that UK has not reached the 100% adults vaccinated target by July, and the rate of vaccination seems to slow down.
Also, I would like my child vaccinated too.
It definitively protects from infection, transmission and serious illness.