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Dom claims Boris said Telegraph his boss?

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3asAbird · 19/07/2021 22:30

Many claims in latest interview

www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-57854811

How Boris dident think anyone under 80 would be hospitalised or die.
He regrets lockdowns
Ignored his scientists
Wanted to keep up meetings with the Queen as he dident consider the risks.

That the right wing press mainly the telegraph is his boss.
Did any of the refurbishment donation or free trips come from certain media?

Given the fact Boris was hospitalised and nearly died I find his attitude locking down too late 2nd and 3rd time and opening up now really odd.

Don't know if doms out for revenge
What he said doesn't really seem that inplausible.

So many new changes always leaked in the telegraph.

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Naaaaah · 21/07/2021 13:21

Women can be misogynistic too. Be the change you want to see though.

I too am dumbfounded by Carrie hitching her wagon to him. I get that money and power are seductive but I honestly can't see one redeeming feature in BJ. She'll have her own money behind her and if she's ambitious, she'll never be seen as making it in her own right now.

3asAbird · 21/07/2021 13:48

Does anyone not think dom had the Prince Harry effect so exposed everyone's fed up and doesn't want to listen.
Because in the media last year he was portrayed as anti lockdown and sitting in on sage meetings then the barnyard Castle hes been made the villain everyone loves to hate.
Therefore some have no interest in him or trust what he has to say because he's already been portrayed by the media as an awful person, a liar , disloyal and not to be trusted.
A employee scorned and out for revenge.
Last year his jaunt to new castle seriously discredited himself.

I always felt there was more to his trip to the castle than we knew.
He doesn't really go into detail about security concerns.
Regardless of his wrong doing last year I felt was awake how media camped on his door step and hounded him I felt sorry for his son..

I don't like him . I don't agree with everything he has to say but I do believe some of it and I do agree the current political system is broken.
Why don't we have anyone decent in government anymore just career wannabes.
But with 1st past post and no decent opposition we stuck.

Feel sorry for may she was stitched up.
If rishi leaves chancellor before cuts made he retains his popularity as he gave away so much.

I don't think dom is any worse than those who went before him Blair spin doctors like mandelson and Cambell.
Politics is nasty work hardly any of them don't like,misrepresentation of the truth, have decent skills, courage of conviction or genuinely care about thier electorate that vote them in.
My ex tory mp was shit and my new Labour mp not much better.

I quite miss nick clegg shame liv dems went so wrong.
New parties don't work change uk epic fail.

When he said they decided who was they.
People high up within tory hq or media/ lobbying companies.
We were told after expenses scandal lobbying be next big thing.

I think on the whole he honest about some things.
Odd he doesn't mention Hancock.
He also careful not mention rishi, javid or hunt i think he mentioned gove.
Doesnt Laura have ex relations with Boris.
Is she maybe trying help Boris by trying make dom come across and anarchist psycho?

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longwayoff · 21/07/2021 16:01

He's like an angry, rejected ex who lost out to Carrie. Don't fancy him, maggiesfarm, pull yourself together and focus elsewhere before you start fancying Michael Gove @as well. Those sparkling eyes have the light of narcissism and fanatic obsession.

3asAbird · 21/07/2021 16:28

There was a comment after he appeared at select Committee.

Dom maybe not the hero we want but maybe he's a hero we need.

If we so determined to dislike him regardless what he has to say then Boris gets off free.

We know this is 2nd direct hit so far select Committee and interview.
We don't know if he was behind Hancock.
Does anyone think he will do anything else?
Hes been very honest with his intentions i believe he hates key member of government and wants them eliminated.
I don't get 1922 covid denier vibes from him so not sure hes working with them.
The fact remains a week leader pm is easily manipulated maybe used be by dom but which master is pulling bojos strings now?

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longwayoff · 21/07/2021 16:58

I think you're missing the point, 3asabird. We have Cummings to thank for both Brexit and Boris. Now we have both and Cummings attempt at a coup has misfired, whether or not you like Boris and Brexit, we must let our established political processes go ahead. Cummings is an Anarcho-Fascist. He is dangerous and should not be anywhere near the levers of power.

CeciledeVolanges · 21/07/2021 19:29

@Maggiesfarm

Do you really have to use such misogynistic language to describe a woman.

I stand by it and I am a woman and a feminist. I never knew 'bitch' was misogynistic, I've heard women use it often.

The reason I was unfriended on facebook for saying that was because the person on whose page I posted identified with Carrie in some way.

I do not use the word often but was just gobsmacked by this seemingly good and clever young woman hitching up with BoJo. Call it a gut reaction. However that is in the past.

Watching Dominic Cumming's interview again, I've decided he is fanciable. I like his smile and sparkling eyes. As I said earlier, there is no accounting for taste. Maybe I am becoming senile.

I had a lovely friend who used to talk through her fingers sometimes, I always felt like telling her not to but didn't, she was very nice and who am I to criticise. We all have odd habits.

If you need proof about Carrie being good, she's living with and has committed herself to Boris Johnson. That's not an aberrance. I'm afraid that if you thought otherwise of her before, this now is her choosing her true colours.
PerkingFaintly · 21/07/2021 20:36

A hero? OK now I know you're just here for the laffs.

Cummings is absolutely no kind of hero.

He's the man who got Johnson into power, all the while knowing Johnson was incapable.

Cummings is only miffed now because he was planning for Johnson to be HIS puppet, not Carrie's.

PerkingFaintly · 21/07/2021 20:45

Also, honesty?

Kuenssberg taxed Cummings with the Brexit bus slogan, and Cummings was delighted to brag that he'd been economical with the truth.

(It existed as a gross figure, but it wasn't the net figure and certainly wasn't the amount the UK would have back in its pocket after Brexit.)

He was actually very pleased with himself for having used a fact which contained some truth but carefully avoided telling enough of the story.

Sound familiar?

ragged · 22/07/2021 05:37

Those of you who understand DC's political long term game (eg @frumpety ) can you help me out? Because I can't get a grasp on what DC wants to achieve.

I believe that he enjoys the game, that he saw Brexit as a stepping stone to something else, that he's happy to wreak havoc if he thinks that havoc is progress towards his future vision.

I can't understand what his vision is, at all. There's a cabal of scientists on Twitter who say that DC is fascinated by technocracy without having a clue what science is. I suspect the gist of that view is DC believes science = expert opinion, without understanding that opinion is not a scientific thing at all. And that most scientists are consensus builders who nurture good-natured rivalry and dense collaboration networks.

The fact that DC can't communicate clearly makes me hugely distrust him. I've had very clever colleagues who also talk in tangent-heavy circles, and all that told me is that they could not focus, prioritise or get things done.

itsgettingwierd · 22/07/2021 05:44

@FlyingBattie

Don't trust him at all. He has something on Boris that Boris doesn't want to get out, though. I am convinced of it.
This has been a narrative that's been repeated numerous times.

I remember it during the Barnard castle and rose garden debacle.

Which is beginning to me to seem like the most obvious explanation.

I also think DC does love chaos and has always wanted to bring down politics in this country and has played a blunder of a long game.

It's totally likely there is some truth in some of what he says but he says it from his bias or interpretation.

I think this is a case where the 3 sides to a story really holds up.

Cummings story.

Boris story.

And the truth!

PerkingFaintly · 22/07/2021 06:53

Cummings' long game is that he thinks the country should be run by a small group of very clever people, and that he is one of them.

He thinks the small group should get to choose a token prime minister to follow their bidding. Said so in the interview.

He does not think the small group need to be democratically elected. Clearly he finds democratic mechanisms to be useful tools to exploit occasionally, but he doesn't support the concept of democracy.

And I'm pretty sure he's being deliberately vague as well as genuinely poor at communicating.

The reasons for his opacity being:
a) mostly he doesn't have a detailed plan of what he wants to build, just what he wants to tear down. After all, now that his wondrousness is here, he'll be able to create whatever's wanted in his kitchen with a small aubergine;
and
(b) where he does have a detailed plan, he knows it's completely unacceptable to the general public. His repeated flirting with eugenicists, for example, hints at what might be under the covers.

And yes, he's bewitched by technology, and believes more science always => better outcomes. And higher IQ always => better things.

These are beliefs which a cursory glance at history would knock on the head (mechanised slaughter of WWI; Holocaust's use of tech; nuclear weapons...).

Technology allows humans to pursue the sorts of aims that humans have always pursued: but faster, more effectively and reaching more people. So if they want to find a vaccine for a new virus, technology will help. If they want to install a dictator, sexually abuse children, deploy a weapon, or trigger a genocide in Burma or a lynch mob to attack the US Capitol, technology will help. Humans remain the same saints and sinners they've always been.

This is something people dazzled by technology often forget.

TheDrsDocMartens · 22/07/2021 07:06

Cummings & Gove (& Murdoch)were using Johnson to get past the bad bits of Brexit then he would take the fall out and Gove would ride to the rescue. Covid upset this and Johnson will now take the flack for it too.
Cummings has started to realtors he can’t use Gove as he’s so unpopular with the public so is grooming Sunak. Murdoch I think is still hedging his bets.

CeciledeVolanges · 22/07/2021 07:30

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longwayoff · 22/07/2021 07:30

Perking, succinctly summarised as usual. I try to hope but, truthfully, I think we're buggered and now held captive by Cummings who's watched too much science fiction. He's like Dr Frankenstein who's lost control of his lumbering creation at the moment. I'm sure there's another one bubbling away on the stove.

LazyViper · 22/07/2021 07:40

Cummings comes across as an overgrown adolescent sneering at his parents for being lame. His insolent attitude says it all. He was filmed jeering at an MP who took issue with his conduct, saying contemptuously “I don’t even know who you are.” That’s an elected parliamentarian, Dom. Who the hell are you?

Everything he does and says smacks of just wanting to break things for the sake of it, because he has some teenage fantasy about disrupters and innovators based on a total lack of knowledge of the subject.

ragged · 22/07/2021 08:13

I genuinely appreciate that summary, Perking -- it fits very well with everything else I understand about DC.

Very clever people say a lot of "I don't know" statements. Clever enough to realise the limits of their potential insights & wisdom.

Worldgonecrazy · 22/07/2021 10:01

There will be a certain scadenfreude as the large number of “I’m not racist but ….” conservative voters have to hold their nose and vote for someone with a different skin colour as prime minister. Grin

longwayoff · 22/07/2021 10:14

You think? "Oh, but I didn't mean you, you're not like the rest of them, you're almost English".Confused

HmmmmmmInteresting · 22/07/2021 14:02

Cummings' long game is that he thinks the country should be run by a small group of very clever people, and that he is one of them.

LOL at him being clever. The lot of them are thick as mince. Crazy that this country is run by people because of who they are rather than their skills. We look down on third world countries for their government regimes but ours is really not much better. Its a flawed democracy according to The Economist, but I think this is being kind.

itsgettingwierd · 23/07/2021 20:57

Just watched the entire interview.

At points I was reading his body language and tone and thought - you're lying.

At others I was think he clearly has some sort of personality disorder.

And others I was (horrifyingly) thinking he has a point!

But it's very clear he doesn't understand he's an unelected civil servant and not some tsar who has been in Downing Street to reinvent our political system (except it was some of the points he made about the set up I found myself agreeing with)

Totally Confused.com after that Grin

itsgettingwierd · 23/07/2021 20:58

I also noticed he use "reasonable" a lot like his arch nemesis Matt Hancock!

GlutenFreeGingerCake · 23/07/2021 21:08

I always felt there was more to his trip to the castle than we knew.
How dodgy must the real story be if he would rather we thought he drove there to test his eyesight?

Maggiesfarm · 24/07/2021 14:02

@GlutenFreeGingerCake

I always felt there was more to his trip to the castle than we knew. How dodgy must the real story be if he would rather we thought he drove there to test his eyesight?
I knew he had little privacy at home.Reporters were even getting into his back garden! Not fair on a small child. I don't blame him for fleeing to somewhere more private. Of course he was followed and spotted there but I would think it was, on the whole, peaceful.

Other people sought sanctuary elsewhere when they tested positive, they had a straight journey and didn't go out to buy provisions while they isolated or recovered. I might have done the same if I had anywhere to go but was quite happy being on my own at home; nobody was going to bother me because I am not famous!

Changechangychange · 24/07/2021 16:08

@SpindleWhorl

I have always wondered about Jennifer Arcuri tbh. That tale was never fully told.
Do you think? It always seemed quite straightforward to me. He was shagging her, and diverted £100,000 of taxpayers’ money to her company. All a matter of public record, baffles me why nobody seems to care about it - seems a clear case of corruption to me.
SpindleWhorl · 24/07/2021 16:14

I dunno, @Changechangychange, she's always been hinting at something more.

Not that anyone would be remotely surprised at any more stories about him from anyone of infidelity, corruption, lying, laziness, incompetence, contested paternity, etc etc. His overt vileness and shrugging is his best defence, really.