News conference 5pm today.

[beccahamlet]

Anyone any idea if this is going to be anything dramatic or just a 'be careful' pep talk?

3 people were on that press conference, why wasn't it corrected by one of the other two?
I might not expect BJ to realise but Van Tam?

Plus only corrected 3 hours after he said it!

Makes me wonder what to believe now.

Thanks for the corrections.

Still a fairly high figure. 40%.

Particularly compared to America.

I think that we need to give mRNA boosters to people, particularly the vulnerable, who had astrazeneca. As soon as we have enough supply.

We probably need to do that anyway, because of the Beta strain.

@Horehound

I must be missing something... It's not being made compulsory is it? It's just if you want to go to certain places then you need both vaccines?

Seems fair enough to me 🤷

Of course it's fair to blatantly discriminate. Don't you think that those who cannot have it would like to go clubbing or whatever? Not everyone with allergies for example are vulnerable to the virus.

@XenoBitch "medical procedure" is a bit dramatic. It's a needle in your arm for like 2-3 seconds. Jeez.

But aside from that i is basically things which are a "luxury" in life that you'd need it for.
Not that I'd say a nightclub is luxurious but it's not exactly a human need like a supermarket is...

"Coercion" is another strong word. Things like being 18 before allowed to drink alcohol or smoke or bet etc is that coercion or is it to protect you get folk? So to me, if you want to be somewhere partying in a big group of folk, drinking, snogging, spewing all over the place..yeh it seems fair enough.

@Tealightsandd

Thanks for the corrections.

Still a fairly high figure. 40%.

Particularly compared to America.

I think that we need to give mRNA boosters to people, particularly the vulnerable, who had astrazeneca. As soon as we have enough supply.

We probably need to do that anyway, because of the Beta strain.

Have mRNA boosters been trialed? proven to work etc.

I really, really don't want a booster. I can't go through with another vaccine right now. DH asked me if I was having a flu jab this year, I just looked at him as if he was mad!

@XenoBitch Lisa Shaw’s death was tragic and also incredibly rare. Vaccine related deaths are an incredibly tiny percentage per number of people vaccinated. The contraceptive pill is more likely to kill a woman than the AZ vaccine.

@Horehound you clearly don't suffer from a phobia. It might only be a needle in the arm to you but if you had any empathy whatsoever you'd realise that it's a lot more than that to a lot of people.

[quote Horehound]@XenoBitch "medical procedure" is a bit dramatic. It's a needle in your arm for like 2-3 seconds. Jeez.

But aside from that i is basically things which are a "luxury" in life that you'd need it for.
Not that I'd say a nightclub is luxurious but it's not exactly a human need like a supermarket is...

"Coercion" is another strong word. Things like being 18 before allowed to drink alcohol or smoke or bet etc is that coercion or is it to protect you get folk? So to me, if you want to be somewhere partying in a big group of folk, drinking, snogging, spewing all over the place..yeh it seems fair enough.[/quote]
An injection is absolutely a medical procedure.

@Canigooutyet what?
It's always a case of when something is announced someone pops up with "but sir! What about meeee".
There are always exceptions. You know the mandatory face masks were exempt for people who had certain medical problems?
So if you can't get the vaccine for being allergic to an ingredient that doesn't mean you can't go to a club.

@XenoBitch hardly

[quote Horehound]@XenoBitch hardly[/quote]
Apply oxygen to a patient is also classed as a medical procedure too. Lots of things are.

[quote PinkSparklyPussyCat]@Horehound you clearly don't suffer from a phobia. It might only be a needle in the arm to you but if you had any empathy whatsoever you'd realise that it's a lot more than that to a lot of people.[/quote]
I'm not talking about anyone who can't get the vaccine due to a medical or mental health issue obviously.

Patrick Vallance has corrected this:
"Correcting a statistic I gave at the press conference today, 19 July. About 60% of hospitalisations from covid are not from double vaccinated people, rather 60% of hospitalisations from covid are currently from unvaccinated people"

We all make mistakes, but that's a whopper ... sorry, but given the way the original number's been leapt upon, the cynic in me wonders if he's been sat on and made to fudge it

@XenoBitch oh ffs yes I know technically it would be but it's very dramatic to say it in general conversation.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Patrick Vallance has corrected this: "Correcting a statistic I gave at the press conference today, 19 July. About 60% of hospitalisations from covid are not from double vaccinated people, rather 60% of hospitalisations from covid are currently from unvaccinated people"

We all make mistakes, but that's a whopper ... sorry, but given the way the original number's been leapt upon, the cynic in me wonders if he's been sat on and made to fudge it

I agree. That is a fucking massive mistake to make Jesus 😬

Pfizer and Moderna are mRNA vaccines. Sorry I should have said.

PinkSparklyPussyCat nobody is going to be forced to have a booster. Not that they would be anyway, but currently supplies are very limited. There's barely enough for those who will want it.

There is some hope. Astrazeneca are working on boosters, tweaked to work better against some of the newer strains (don't know if that includes Beta). They're also doing a trial on children. If all goes well, we could be in a better position supply wise in the autumn. Fingers crossed.

[quote Horehound]**@XenoBitch* oh ffs yes I know technically* it would be but it's very dramatic to say it in general conversation.[/quote]
It is dramatic for some.

@Sunnyfreezesushi

Less than a 100 years ago young men were conscripted - that means if you refused, you went to prison. If you deserted (including for mental health issues), you could also end up in prison.

80 years on some people are too snowflakey to have a safe & tested vaccine. This pandemic is serious, it is as bad as the Second World War, it has had as much of an effect on us and our public finances. It is no joke. My 12 year old would happily have the vaccine for the greater good. Don’t see why some adults get to refuse - they are not more precious than the rest of us. If you want to refuse, you opt out of the benefits of society, end of.
Those refusing for genuine mental health issues/medical reasons need GP sign off which I am sure would be forthcoming but they cannot necessarily expect to benefit from what private businesses offer (eg all night clubs/sport venues) but definitely from state provided things (education, health care, benefits).

Can you provide some evidence for people who refused to be conscripted being imprisoned? My uncle was one such person, went before the conscription board stated his case and was not imprisoned.

@Sunnyfreezesushi

Less than a 100 years ago young men were conscripted - that means if you refused, you went to prison. If you deserted (including for mental health issues), you could also end up in prison.

80 years on some people are too snowflakey to have a safe & tested vaccine. This pandemic is serious, it is as bad as the Second World War, it has had as much of an effect on us and our public finances. It is no joke. My 12 year old would happily have the vaccine for the greater good. Don’t see why some adults get to refuse - they are not more precious than the rest of us. If you want to refuse, you opt out of the benefits of society, end of.
Those refusing for genuine mental health issues/medical reasons need GP sign off which I am sure would be forthcoming but they cannot necessarily expect to benefit from what private businesses offer (eg all night clubs/sport venues) but definitely from state provided things (education, health care, benefits).

Safe and tested? You mean where they tested AZ on the population and it turns out part of that population are susceptible to blood clots after taking it? That safe and tested vaccination. It is not safe until they know more and they can only know more when they test.

Adults have a right to protect themselves without hindrance to their daily lives especially when being double jabbed can still land you in hospital. If it was a cure I’d say 🤔. But it’s not. And today it’s an ineffective vaccine, tomorrow what will it be?

It is what it is. The people I know who haven’t had the vaccine have said it’s because they just choose not to have it. I say don’t have it if you feel that strongly, but just don’t start bleating and weeping when you have to face the consequences of your choices.

He's probably just very stressed and tired and got the numbers the wrong way round.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Patrick Vallance has corrected this: "Correcting a statistic I gave at the press conference today, 19 July. About 60% of hospitalisations from covid are not from double vaccinated people, rather 60% of hospitalisations from covid are currently from unvaccinated people"

We all make mistakes, but that's a whopper ... sorry, but given the way the original number's been leapt upon, the cynic in me wonders if he's been sat on and made to fudge it

Very very very suspicious correction. He’s been made to backtrack on that one, that was no mistake. They’re screwing us over and over again. God help us all.

@Tealightsandd I know no one will be forced to have a booster but there will be the same pressure about having one. I don't know how I managed to have the first two as I was in such a state. Unfortunately some people seem to think that because I had those I'm now fine and I'm not.

[quote MyDcAreMarvel]@XenoBitch Lisa Shaw’s death was tragic and also incredibly rare. Vaccine related deaths are an incredibly tiny percentage per number of people vaccinated. The contraceptive pill is more likely to kill a woman than the AZ vaccine.[/quote]
Is that supposed to reassure?