News conference 5pm today.

[beccahamlet]

Anyone any idea if this is going to be anything dramatic or just a 'be careful' pep talk?

[quote MercyBooth]@AlmostSummer21 That was your reaction to a poster whose young son left the house in a distressed state.[/quote]
So?

I was 'talking to that poster, not you'. If an 18 yo is crying over possible future restrictions instead of getting a vaccination, I'm curious as to why?

No need for you to stick you beak in.

Wow at all the people telling XenoBitch how to find ways around her phobia - this is why people with mental health problems/past trauma don't talk about it, because everyone has the answer or suggests those suffering should move on from the past - as if they hadn't thought of that themselves!

Oh and biggest wow of all to the pp who suggested that because Xeno hadn't been tortured in a dictatorship then her trauma can't be that bad. That's a new low even for MN's lack of knowledge around trauma and it's aftereffect.

@XenoBitch

Tinydancer321

Well you definitely seem qualified so thanks for that.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

But isn't medical help worth it? Not the vaccine, but what happens if you need to go hospital and have tests done. Surely that's worth it. You are worth it.

Nope. I only end up in hospital when the police take me. I have signed waivers so I don't have medical treatment. Believe me, not everyone is determined to live.

On a more positive note, astrazeneca are currently working on boosters, tweaked to work better against newer strains. Fingers crossed the trials go well.

Oh and biggest wow of all to the pp who suggested that becauseXenohadn't been tortured in a dictatorship then her trauma can't be that bad. That's a new low even for MN's lack of knowledge around trauma and it's aftereffect.

That was me (and only me, as far as I can see), and please don't you fucking dare tell me I don't understand trauma. I have a pretty severe fear of doctors, needles and anything medical myself. If I couldn't have the vaccine I wouldn't have had it, and I'd have had to accept the consequences of that, as I have of many other things I haven't bren able to do due to my own trauma.

@MercyBooth okay then... I think you'll find I've not called anyone an idiot. What I have said is I have no sympathy for those who haven't had a vaccine being told they now cannot do something. They are trying to open up and reduce the risks. This is one way they can try and apply a bit of damage limitation

Too little too late mind but that's how it is going.

It is a consequence.
I couldn't work as a sonographer without certain immunities which require a vaccination and that would be my consequence to that.
I don't think that I have been coerced
I think it is a sensible decision for both me and my patients.

Given that most adults in the UK have already had two jabs and that number will increase as those who had their first dose more recently become eligible have their second, I have come to the conclusion that there are two possible explanations for this sudden need for vaccine passports.

a) One of Boris mates needs some money bunging at them to make a shambles of the passports
b) Boris wants to be seen to do be doing something in the face of the massive number of infections, but having said that today is "Freedom day" can't impose any of the restrictions we have had before which have been seen to actually work.

Or is it both?

@furrypesto

Wow at all the people telling XenoBitch how to find ways around her phobia - this is why people with mental health problems/past trauma don't talk about it, because everyone has the answer or suggests those suffering should move on from the past - as if they hadn't thought of that themselves!

Oh and biggest wow of all to the pp who suggested that because Xeno hadn't been tortured in a dictatorship then her trauma can't be that bad. That's a new low even for MN's lack of knowledge around trauma and it's aftereffect.

@XenoBitch

Thank you @furrypesto

I keep wanting to start my own thread about it tbh. I have seen other needle phobic people do the same, but I am convinced mine would descend into nastiness, and I can't deal with that at the moment. The other needle phobes do end up getting jabbed. I wont be one of those. I am ok with that. Making yourself ill for something is not helpful.

Well maybe this isn’t having the desired effect after all. My partner who has had 1 jab, waiting for the next has just said, ‘being as so many of those in hospital have been double jabbed and I don’t like people basically being forced to be vaccinated, I might not have my second jab’. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Well done BoJo, you big twat.

My friend had said the same. She’s had the two jabs but won’t be having any boosters.

Oh and before you come back with what if I can't
I mean the people who absolutely could have the vaccine and don't
Not those who genuinely cannot have them
Like pp who are immunocompromised/ severely needle phobic etc.

Funny comment made online ( not mumsnet )
' make the vaccine illegal and all the clubbers will comply ' !
Made me smile.

PopcornMuncher indeed. We had zero income for the first nine months of the pandemic, and I haven't seen my family in a red-list country for longer than I care to think about.
It's a slap in the face to be told I've done "nothing".

Nope. I only end up in hospital when the police take me. I have signed waivers so I don't have medical treatment.
Believe me, not everyone is determined to live.

I'm genuinely sad to hear that.

We had zero income for the first nine months of the pandemic, and I haven't seen my family in a red-list country for longer than I care to think about.
It's a slap in the face to be told I've done "nothing".

But don't you see that by not getting vaccinated you are contributing to the pandemic dragging on?

But don't you see that by not getting vaccinated you are contributing to the pandemic dragging on?

I can't get vaccinated.

I can't really have much in the way of medication at all, which certainly adds an additional level of stress to life, so I'd have prefered the government not making it worse but here we are

@XenoBitch

There are charities that can help you with that. You can tell them. They can give the drs whatever they need to. For example that your needle phobic. So it can be written on your notes.

I can't really have much in the way of medication at all, which certainly adds an additional level of stress to life, so I'd have prefered the government not making it worse but here we are sad

How is the government making it worse? By trying to vaccinate more people? Surely you see that this will protect you and that society is more that one person?

@AlmostSummer21 News Flash Its a public forum.

@peepopeepopeepo just because you have suffered trauma and know people who have suffered it does necessarily mean you understand how it presents in others. I stand by my comment that your comments are some of the most cruel and heartless I have seen on mumsnet regarding trauma.

You also fall into the trap that many people do with your 'well, I, my father, aunt, etc have all suffered terrible trauma and we still can do x, y, z' This just shows that your trauma displays in a certain way. It does not give you the right to start dictating how other people's trauma manifests.

I will say it again, so it is very clear - you do not have a good understanding of trauma and have shown a real callousness. I hope you receive some help as maybe the trauma in your own life has caused you to burn out empathy wise.

[quote Nocutenamesleft]@XenoBitch

There are charities that can help you with that. You can tell them. They can give the drs whatever they need to. For example that your needle phobic. So it can be written on your notes.[/quote]
Thank you, but I don't think I am worth it.

ChardonnaysPetDragon by placing restrictions on my life.
God seriously why are people on MN so fucking contrary all the time? Clearly I'm not going to be dancing a jig about this, I'm miserable and worried sick. And sorry for not immediately thinking oh but society and having the seflish audacity to feel upset that I'm getting shafted here.
Fucksake.