Will there be another lockdown?

[Kate3150]

Read a few articles about this this morning… I didn’t watch Chris Whitty speak. Can’t imagine him actually saying those words?

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I think there is a fair chance that this will all go to shit over the next few weeks. I live in a hotspot area and our hospitals are already starting to feel the strain.

But hey, it’ll be our fault because we didn’t make the right decisions.

I sincerely hope I am wrong though.

NHS managers are concerned and prepared, no one has a crystal ball

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay I agree with you that we are all in and out of lockdown. I think the point @ILookAtTheFloor was making however was that Australia and New Zealand are going to be in this now for as long as it takes them to vaccinate, open up and accept living next to Covid. And at the moment given the vaccination rates there - it may well be an awful long time they are now, if not in lockdown permanently, at the very least locked away from the rest of the world. My friend, currently in lockdown in Sydney, is already looking at Europe wistfully as we are starting to come out and are starting to travel again.

@Florelei what do you think the right decisions are. We all need to live with Covid. What decision would YOU have made now?

We’re all going to be in it now for as long as it takes to vaccinate. The models we are using now don’t show this as the last wave even in the U.K.

I suspect many are willing it to work because it's exactly what they are planning!

Everyone is willing something to work, but I doubt anyone else is planning this, if they have looked first to Israel.

They will however be watching closely. It would be helpful if it became apparent that this experiment (very popular with the right wing) was going one way or the other quite early on - though I think 3-5 weeks will be needed. Which explains the timing (school holiday and parliamentary recess)

My guess is that the rest of the world is very glad that England is going to take one for the team and set the experiment running.

[quote Blessex]@Florelei what do you think the right decisions are. We all need to live with Covid. What decision would YOU have made now?[/quote]
@Blessex - what? I think you misunderstand me.

I was referring to what I think the government will say to us if we have to lock down again. It’ll be our fault because they left us to exercise personal responsibility. Therefore, we clearly made the wrong choices otherwise we wouldn’t have to lock down.

[quote Blessex]@Florelei what do you think the right decisions are. We all need to live with Covid. What decision would YOU have made now?[/quote]
Id take an approach that is more Sturgeon and less Boris

I'd also point out that the question Boris posed in his speech is a rhetorical device intended to mislead the audience into thinking the choice is limited to this/now or nothing/forever. And of course it isn't like that at all.

As I've said on all the 'lockdown is coming' threads - the furlough scheme is being wound down. No furlough = no lockdown.

The furlough scheme was coming to an end last year and then extended very last minute.

And I wouldn’t rule out no furlough and a lockdown meaning people just don’t get paid, from this government.

Tim Spector/ZOE study shows cases plateauing and starting to decline. Their latest video update is interesting as an antidote to the how-can-we-scare-the-population-further reports.

@Florelei ah yes I misunderstood you sorry.

@SexTrainGlue Sturgeon approach is based on ‘doing things similarly but a little bit differently to Boris to make a political point’

I am quite happy now that things are being taken out of law. I am actually a bit shaky about the TfL mask exception thing and when that will end. No dates on that.

@Bordois I think some people think that people in other nations are literally sitting reading British news and know what is going on here. And then actually care enough to look on in horror. It’s like us all sitting here reading French newspapers and having a point of view on a daily basis.

Beggars belief. But I have read so many times on MN how ‘the whole world is looking at the U.K. in horror’

I work in the NHS, it's all going downhill again

I work in the NHS and there are plenty of doom-mongering lockdown lovers among my colleagues

Fuck off Witty

@Bordois and the utter irony of course is that it is the ones who bang on about how shit we are as a nation that have this British exceptionalism mindset that everyone is looking at us also in horror.

How would a lockdown work with no furlough scheme?

So enjoy the next 5 weeks and see what happens after.

Surely no one wants to see our NHS nurses and doctors having to decide who gets ECMO and lives and who doesn't. That's the failure that all the lockdowns were trying to prevent.

We've done so well with vaccinations but it's still a numbers game - we were getting close to herd immunity but Delta is so transmissable that the numbers hospitalised could still go so ridiculously sky high that the risk of overwhelming the NHS is right there again.

If that risk is there again, there has to be another lockdown to prevent it.

This is what over 1000 scientists have been pleading with the government to see and that's before even mentioning long covid in the young and children, the number of people isolating etc.

@JellyBabiesFan

Fuck off Witty

I'm sorry but this made me lol 🤣

@Odisia

You are on a spanish beach. Why on earth are you wasting your time on mumsnet?

Id take an approach that is more Sturgeon and less Boris

Her decisions making is guided by being different from Boris.

What I see in Scotland is many people being totally scunnered. They are fed up. They have had harsher restrictions for longer.

Done here everyone moans about Boris putting personal responsibility onto us and passing the buck. Up there they are fed up with being lectured every day and treated like school children.

It's a no win situation for either of them because everyone is so fed up. The end result will probably be quite similar.

@CantGetNoSleep73

Still can't get why we will be overwhelmed yet again in NHS with 9/10 adults having immunity and almost 85% population being double jabbed.... Or is this just a "kids need jabbing too" route?

Only about 50% of the population are double jabbed + two weeks. Even if you for some reason discount children (who nobody can now argue don't catch and spread the disease), we're only at about 65% of the population double jabbed.

@Blessex we are watching the uk, I'm in Australia and out PM has mentioned you guys several times in the last few days as he makes his post national cabinet speeches about our roadmap out.

The Uk has the highest vaccinated population, so we are looking to see what a well vaccinated population looks like when restrictions are lifted and it's just accepted as another illness.

It's been mentioned before that it's a bit of an experiment to see what happens and it will either win or lose.

We are very much following what the issues and wins are for you guys.

But we’re not a well vaccinated population. That’s the problem. We’ve done well vaccinating people and we have a higher proportion fully vaccinated than most other places. But in absolute terms, we aren’t yet well vaccinated.

But are you watching "in horror" sunny?

(Tbh, im not sure what "looking on in horror" actually entails though!)