Will there be another lockdown?

[Kate3150]

Read a few articles about this this morning… I didn’t watch Chris Whitty speak. Can’t imagine him actually saying those words?

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BBC www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57858864

re "recanting" - Whitty doesn't make the decisions. Johnson does.

Whitty has been consistently urging caution.

Our a&e has been the busiest it’s been for a while including many many ambulances backed up outside waiting.

Now either people are doing dumb stuff all of a sudden and everyone’s become accident prone or we are having more people attending due to covid issues.

Before this month I can’t say I really knew anyone who had had covid maybe a friend of a friend type stuff or someone I know knew someone at work. Now it’s other school parents and friends and the children’s friends at school.

Whitty backed July 19th in parliament.

They are all talking about caution

These headlines are to get us to listen and behave that way

It’s numbers and messages used the way they have been throughout and it does work

@MarshaBradyo

More vague

May need to "look again" at restrictions

This is the psychological push to get us to be cautious - high numbers and threat of ‘lockdown’ by media

Yes, I think that might be at play here too. Threaten another lockdown to try and force the 'let's stick flares up our bum because football' people of this country into actually engaging their brain just a little and exercising just a smidge of common sense!

One only has to look at the fan carnage around football to realise that it is a special case. I guess my takeaway is we are in a 'world-beating' hybrid immunity experiment that the world is watching with both intense interest and some horror and it is going to get messy before (hopefully) it gets better. We will know the results of that by the end of August.

@IsobelEd

I guess the upside is that we should be through with COVID next year, however painful it ends up being

We were naive, but may I remind you we never dreamed we'd be looking at a second winter of Covid!

Really? Most of us fully understood that pandemics take a few years to run their course.

My other half works in the NHS (Manager) - with data. Basically hospital admission numbers, amongst other stuff.
He’s baffled as to why we are panicking about another lockdown as the numbers being admitted are nothing to worry about (tiny surge in numbers, not any different to other years) - we are in a large city too. He’d explain this much better than I can on here, but the upshot is that I’m not worrying about this at all.

I imagine Chris Whitty and the other members of Sage are having to be very circumspect in their use of language, regardless of what they think...

@vera99 USA is doing the same. Netherlands have done the same. Not just the U.K. and not everyone is looking here.

Still can't get why we will be overwhelmed yet again in NHS with 9/10 adults having immunity and almost 85% population being double jabbed....
Or is this just a "kids need jabbing too" route?

It does make me laugh that people think other nations are all sitting watching the U.K. often ‘in horror’.

@moonfacebaby - really??

I'm sceptical of your husband's reassurances.

Somehow I tend to believe the consultant anaesthetist who works in ICU over a healthcare manager.

The Netherlands PM apologised when he did a handbrake turn.

www.politico.eu/article/dutch-pm-apologizes-for-easing-coronavirus-measures-too-soon/

Over the weekend, the Netherlands reimposed some measures to counter a COVID-19 spike blamed largely on the return less than two weeks ago of a less restrictive nightlife scene. On Saturday, nightclubs were again forced to shutter, while pubs and restaurants can only open under fixed seating and distancing rules.

I totally agree with the government's approach on this. Everyone has to hold their nerve and see this play out. I eagerly await the 16th Aug when the isolation rules change.

I'm so glad I'm in the UK and not in Oz with their never ending lockdown cycles. Oz and NZ will have an epidemic when they open up, whenever that is- in 5 months, 5 years?

All they can do is jab jab jab, and open up, the same as we're doing.

I just can't see an alternative.

I do think the gov should stop publishing testing data.

@vera99 yes because their vaccination programme is behind ours. Anyway that wasn’t my point. My point was we are not the first and we are not leading the world and the world are not all looking on at us in horror. That was my point.

@ILookAtTheFloor fully agree. There is no other way.

At the moment hospitalization are just beginning to take off

Paint me cynical, but the gap in dates between the published figures for number of cases and the numbers admitted to hospitals has been greater than ususal (3-5 days rather than 1-2) and for longer than usual (used to catch up completely every few days)

@Blessex

It does make me laugh that people think other nations are all sitting watching the U.K. often ‘in horror’.

I suspect many are willing it to work because it's exactly what they are planning!

[quote Kate3150]www.thesun.co.uk/news/15606007/chris-whitty-lockdown-covid-five-weeks/[/quote]
I wouldn’t take anything here as “news”.

I agree as well but it is going to get messy - the hope is the virus burns out once the exit wave has passed and we will be one of the first developed nations on the way out from this shit.

@Wakeupin2022 well yep. Firstly people in other nations are not looking to the U.K. Other governments may well be. USA is already doing it. Other nations have done it but too early because they are not as vaccinated as we are eg Netherlands - so have had to put the brakes back on a bit.

But all this ‘looking on in horror’ is just bullshit bollox.

I'm so glad I'm in the UK and not in Oz with their never ending lockdown cycles

What on Earth do you think we’ve been in. We’ve spent, and are still going to spend far more time in lockdown than they have. Our policy is literally keep running it with lots of cases until the numbers get too bad and then have a lengthy lockdown until we’ve got the numbers down again.

Compared to border restrictions, and normal everyday life with the exception of the occasional lockdown that lasts a few days to a couple of weeks.

@Blessex

It does make me laugh that people think other nations are all sitting watching the U.K. often ‘in horror’.

Must be that "British Exceptionalism" that we are always being told about 😉

@Blessex

It does make me laugh that people think other nations are all sitting watching the U.K. often ‘in horror’.

Agreed,all countries are at different stages, all countries have waves Some countries fare better than others at different times.

@vera99 and there in your last post I agree with you. I also think we should vaccinate teenagers tho if they want it. I disagree with the hold up there.