France pulls out the big guns!

[NotPregnantJustChubs]

I live in France and Macron has just made a speech saying that from the end of July, vaccination or a negative test is going to be compulsory for cultural and entertainment venues. From August, it’ll be compulsory for cafes and restaurants too. This applies to all 12+.

PCR tests will become paid as of September, to encourage vaccination.

I’m already vaccinated, thankfully, and I do think it’s necessary to contain the delta variant. But wowza, I’m waiting to hear the backlash in the morning. Macron is up for reelection next year as well, they must be very desperate to contain this…

[quote SoOvethis]@crocidura
Obviously we are interpreting it totally different as I still don’t see that he said what you are saying.
1% of daily cases is the same as saying it’s 1% but you would expect it to be 9% if following similar path to percentage of those double jabbed getting COVID.[/quote]
He said 1% of daily cases are people who have previously tested positive. Then he tried to repeat that point for emphasis but ended up saying instead that 1% of people who have previously tested positive are now among the daily cases, which is completely different. It was just a slip, but he didn't seem to notice and I thought it made him look like he doesn't really understand what he's saying and isn't too bothered about accuracy either.

@Tealightsandd

Strange considering the majority of our deaths are still in the elderly (who have a high rate of vaccine uptake)

Firstly, do you know that for sure? The ages of the current deaths?

Secondly, lots of our elderly had Astrazeneca. In America the majority of people are getting the mRNA vaccines.

And finally, vaccine coverage varies by area. In London around 47% of over 80s haven't been vaccinated.

Yes, we know their ages.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/hospitals

“In older age groups, COVID-19 positivity rates were lowest, but hospital admission rates and deaths were highest”

This source says that over 80% of over 80s have been vaccinated in the London area:

www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-vaccinations/

@crocidura
He said only 1% of them are testing positive. “Them” being people who have previously tested positive. He does not mean 1% of the 9%.
He means 1% of 100% and that the 1% is of people who tested positive which in really 9% of the population.

I think you are forgetting to put it in context. He is comparing it with the 56% figure.
It’s very easy to just take one sentence out and say that it means something totally different. There is context around it though.

So no, still don’t see what you see.

Quite amusing discussing this though 😁

@crocidura

One of my sentences made no sense there.

Meant
He means 1% of the 100% and that the 1% is people who have previously tested positive which should really represent 9% if vaccine and natural immunity are equally as strong.

bumbley I can't open the file.

Perhaps I imagined it. I could've sworn it was reported last week or the one before. Maybe certain London boroughs rather than the whole of London?

I think you are forgetting to put it in context. He is comparing it with the 56% figure.
It’s very easy to just take one sentence out and say that it means something totally different. There is context around it though.

The context is how I came to the conclusion of which version he meant to say and which was the mistake, but I don't know for sure. The only way of us all knowing for sure what he meant would be for him to be more careful. Someone who knew what they are talking about wouldn't make a mistake like that because they would understand this.

He said only 1% of them are testing positive. “Them” being people who have previously tested positive.

Yes exactly, this is the mistake. Because if 9% of Israel's population have previously tested positive ("them"), and 1% of them are testing positive, that's about 8000 people, way too many to be correct when they are only seeing about 800 new cases a day. This is what makes me doubt the other stuff he said.

I think I'll stop now

@crocidura
Last one from me!

1% of them ie, of all the cases and them being those who have previously tested positive. It was never 1% of the 9%. Them are those who have tested positive.

And that was all from me too folks! 👍🏻

I was just wondering if people who caught covid after being double vaxxed went on to develop long covid (I'm into my 7th month of this shit now and find it truly terrifying that so many people are suffering the same).

So sorry @LaChatte

I hope you start to feel better and have been able to access support. Hopefully all the research currently going on will bring new treatments and ways to manage it.