France pulls out the big guns!

[NotPregnantJustChubs]

I live in France and Macron has just made a speech saying that from the end of July, vaccination or a negative test is going to be compulsory for cultural and entertainment venues. From August, it’ll be compulsory for cafes and restaurants too. This applies to all 12+.

PCR tests will become paid as of September, to encourage vaccination.

I’m already vaccinated, thankfully, and I do think it’s necessary to contain the delta variant. But wowza, I’m waiting to hear the backlash in the morning. Macron is up for reelection next year as well, they must be very desperate to contain this…

Ok..disabled…

I’d still caution trying to look at relative numbers of able and disabled children and adults in shops on the street and use that as a metric for how awful a society is or isn’t verse the UK

For example we have a large percentage of multi generational households where we are and even outside of covid times you didn’t tend to see family groups with you children in tow as much in the supermarkets , reason being the younger children are often happily at home being cared by the grandparents..does that also count as being “locked away”?

This also all still leaves the whole issue of the apparent inability of young children in the UK to wear masks to school completely unexplained…

tough shit and we all have to make sacrifices in a pandemic

Apart from the ones who chose to go on the ski trips early last year knowing there was already a problem brewing. Funny how they dont get pillioried for their choice.

A quote from the United Nations about the treatment of autistic children In France,

The UN found that the majority of children with autism do not have access to mainstream education and many “are still offered inefficient psychoanalytical therapies, overmedication and placement in psychiatric hospitals and institutions”. Parents who oppose the institutionalisation of their children “are intimidated and threatened and, in some cases, lose custody of their children

Christ almighty.

A fair few protests going on in France at the moment - but their MSM is acting in the same way as it does in the U.K. by pretty much ignoring it

mobile.twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1415332268084801539

Mainstream news channel Bfmtv are covering it - 3rd item on their website and don't forget it is a public holiday today in France

@XenoBitch

Yes. Exactly this. For example, some businesses refuse entry for jeans or trainers - if they have a certain dress code. As is their right as a private business.

Kind of of unbelievable that you would compare clothing with injecting a substance into your body.

People don't have health anxiety over smart trousers. They don't have a phobia about putting on neat shoes. They don't worry about the long term effects of wearing a shirt.

Just want to say that along with a lot of people with autism I can't wear certain clothing/textures/materials.

Growing up I never knew why the feeling of wool next to my skin set my teeth on edge and why I struggled so.much to wear the knitted jumpers that were part of the school uniform. Why I need to cut labels out, can't wear anything on my head, etc, etc, etc.

Good for him!

I kind agree with him, we've been too relaxed in this country and have had longer lockdowns because of that which has affected industries. I'd rather have to proof I've had the jab then go into another lockdown.

(I work in music so it's affected my livelihood directly - thought I'd explain in case I sound like a jab facist! I just want it to be over)

Hi I live in France too. Whilst Macron is saying that tests will no longer be free from September, unless you have a Doctors Prescription. For instance, my husband has just undergone treatment, and a COVID Test was required even though he is double vaccinated, before going into hospital. His consultant issued a prescription for this, so this is totally reimbursed. Also I have met very few people who are now not double dosed in France. I think we currently have around 36 million people double vaccinated.

@MarshaBradyo

As a parent I know where I’d rather be. Makes me sad to think children are thought of as “disabled” and everyone needs to do as wanted by adults whether they find it very difficult or not.

Yes, its terrible isn't it?

I tend to look at what the UK does, rather than worry about other countries, MH services here are a disgrace, 2300 children locked away sometimes for years on end, parents never getting the help they need.

21 pages on what France has announced! weird, lets worry about us! we have said care workers must be vaccinated or fuck off and find another job.

Camhs is a joke.

21 pages on what France has announced! weird, lets worry about us!

It’s pretty obvious this thread is about France. Why did you read it if only interested in what’s happening here?

Up to you not to take interest of course but so many other threads not about France.

@Vanessa67

Hi I live in France too. Whilst Macron is saying that tests will no longer be free from September, unless you have a Doctors Prescription. For instance, my husband has just undergone treatment, and a COVID Test was required even though he is double vaccinated, before going into hospital. His consultant issued a prescription for this, so this is totally reimbursed. Also I have met very few people who are now not double dosed in France. I think we currently have around 36 million people double vaccinated.

France appears to have 38% of the population fully vaccinated against covid and another 15% partially.

I live in France too and today mothers have taken to the streets in Bordeaux, he's over stepped the mark with wanting the government to force children to have vaccinations from the age of 12. I wouldn't want to take on those angry mum's. Protests in Paris too , all on Bastille Day!

@Margerine78

I kind agree with him, we've been too relaxed in this country and have had longer lockdowns because of that which has affected industries. I'd rather have to proof I've had the jab then go into another lockdown.

(I work in music so it's affected my livelihood directly - thought I'd explain in case I sound like a jab facist! I just want it to be over)

I agree with him too. When you go into a supermarket and see all the people exempt from mask wearing and compare it with Japanese or Chinese society it really makes me feel they British freedoms either mean we have a chronically sick group of people here or the rules should be enforced like in China.

I also live in France and I am glad Macron took that approach. It’s clear what we need to do and with the delta variant gaining we must try to stop it spreading. A largely vaccinated population is oneway of achieving this. Few of my neighbours are hospital staff and the last year and a half has been extremely tuff on them physically and mentally. I am more than happy to do whatever it takes to ease their burden and my social responsibility. I think the sooner we reach that point the sooner our children can have a normal life.

they British freedoms either mean we have a chronically sick group of people here or the rules should be enforced like in China

Maybe we're just a more tolerant society? I'm not sure where the recent passion for being like China has come from, I don't see it myself.

Cold hard truth is that the only way our of this is vaccination. Yes vaccination effectiveness might wave with time, but then that just means boosters are needed, it is not an argument against vaccination. If we don't acquire immunity via vaccination, I can't see how a continuation of the last 18 months is anything other than inevitable. If enough people aren't getting vaccinated voluntarily to achieve herd Immunity, then more sticks are needed. Shows strong pragmatic leadership, something which we lack in our leaders.

@ineedaholidaynow

Doesn’t Denmark have something similar too?

Yes, my Mum lives in Denmark, and they have had CoVid passports for a long time now. If people want to go to the hairdresser or cinema or theatre, they either have to be two weeks post second vaccination, or show a negative CoVid test (which I think is "valid" for three days).

1.3 million people made vaccination appointments in the 4 hours following his announcement. The website ended up crashing.
Vaccination not going to be compulsory except for health and social care workers, but if you want any kind of social life it's either vaccine or pay for a test

Haven't rtft so this may have been said already. I just tried to add my pfizer vaccination QR code (UK) into the TousAntiCovid app (French equivalent of the NHS test trace app) which is where people will keep their 'passe sanitaire'. In impeccable English, it told me to va t'en :
"This certificate cannot be imported. Only French EU Digital Covid Certificates can be accepted in TousAntiCovid. The EU digital covid certificates from other European countries will nevertheless be properly verified by the authorities also in paper or electronic format)"
So Brexit has fucked us again.

I think it is going to be a while until we see our French holiday home again.

Cold hard truth is that the only way our of this is vaccination

Not exactly. Covid will becom endemic and this occurs when there is no longer immune system naivety in the population. Vaccination or mass infection both achieve this. Vaccination achieves it with a lower death rate though.

Macron already said excludes 12-18 yrs olds this summer. Won’t start till September (if it ever gets through Parliament). They’re not stupid won’t ruin tourism over summer. It’s also unenforceable just a huge stick to get vax no’s up.

@SinkGirl I've realised that my post could easily have sounded like I'm proud of mask compliance, and implying that autistic or SN children could comply if they weren't given a choice, and I'm very sorry if I caused you any offence- that wasn't what I meant to convey. And the mask wearing isn't something that makes me proud, I have no nationalistic feelings for any country.

My point about social conditioning with kids and mask wearing was really only that some children could be influenced in that way, which could contribute to the total number. I don't for a second think that there aren't children who truly cannot or will not wear one, for a variety of reasons.

My heart absolutely goes out to any child and their families who have to deal with these kinds of challenges every day, and I really can't imagine what it's been like coping with the pandemic, the massive disruptions to routines, support etc that must have caused a great deal of stress and distress. It must feel like a kick in the gut to then hear someone else suggest that it's not that hard.

I don't have any autistic or SN people or children in my social circle, so I have no idea how they are treated or supported in France. Based on the quotation from WHO a PP posted, it sounds absolutely terrible for those families in France. It makes me wonder, like you, how those families have fared and what support they've received since the start of all this. Are their voices even being heard? They haven't been represented or referenced in the media as far as I've seen over the past 18 months.

It's troubling, to say the least.

I agree with him too. When you go into a supermarket and see all the people exempt from mask wearing and compare it with Japanese or Chinese society it really makes me feel they British freedoms either mean we have a chronically sick group of people here or the rules should be enforced like in China.

I'm not chronically sick and neither are 99% of people with ASD and sensory processing disorder. I have a neuro-developmental condition that means my brain is wired a little differently from most people.
Tbh I'm probably healthier/fitter than 99% if neurotypical people, seeing as my hyper focus is on fitness and having my body in the best shape possible. I can run rings round most people half my age and very few are willing to try one of my workouts.

Oh and there's no way you would know from just looking at me that I'm mask exempt, unless I was actually trying to wear one and hitting or scratching myself, with the stimming

@MaxNormal

they British freedoms either mean we have a chronically sick group of people here or the rules should be enforced like in China

Maybe we're just a more tolerant society? I'm not sure where the recent passion for being like China has come from, I don't see it myself.

God I really don't want us to be like China. Myself and my children would be locked away somewhere, if I'd even be allowed to have children