2 jabs… anyone had both and still caught Covid?

[TakeTimeForU]

Just wondering if I can still get Covid and how bad it is if fully vaccinated. Anyone out there with experience of this? Also who are all these people going to be with Covid over the next few weeks as I hear cases are doubling fortnightly - how many vaccinated people hmmm.

1 in 25? But react (8 July) says 0.35% under 64s

That isn't one in 25

Perhaps with the vast increase in cases percentages have shifted, but that is what he said. Meanwhile, it has been widely reported anywhere with an outbreak of the current variant, so it's not an anomaly among MN posters (the implication having been made that they must be liars!) that double-jabbed people are still catching the Delta strain.

My sister - doctor - has been double vaccinated with Pfizer since early April. She tested positive with a PCR test a couple of weeks ago. She was asymptotic and stayed perfectly well, so you can certainly catch Covid and presumably pass it on after being double vaccinated.

@FiveToedSloth that is interesting thanks for posting

@TakeTimeForU
A poster further up Heyhohi posted a link to A PHE report from 25th June.
It looks like it shows the figures you are after.
I had a quick look, from what I can see, more unvaccinated people were in hospital than vaccinated, however more vaccinated people died compared to unvaccinated, more so that had had 2 injections.
(Don’t think I’ll show it to my poor mum, she’s already worried even after having had her 2 injections)

@FiveToedSloth do you think it’s to do with the vaccines wearing off after a few months? Older and vulnerable people had their first over 6 months ago now and the evidence from Israel seems to be that immunity drops after 6 months

I had it, granted I caught it a week after second jab.

Symptoms were a huge migraine that two weeks in is now a lingering headache. Sweats, aches, fatigue. No cough, cold, nor snots.

Also @FiveToedSloth where do you get all those figures? Not questioning them, it’s just that I want to show Dh that his parents aren’t as safe as they think they are

@Bryonyshcmyony

So doesn't that mean one in 300? so not surprising many people don't know anyone that has caught it after being double jabbed

of course my maths could be completely wrong..

I suspect that figure will be constantly evolving rather than set in stone, after all we're only just getting to all adults with two jabs. I wouldn't be surprised if it increased.

@RoseAddict
Pages 16 and 17 of this:
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1001358/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_18.pdf

NB the hospitalisation figures are given twice. “Inclusive” means including cases who were hospitalised for something other than covid and were subsequently tested as positive, whereas “exclusive” are just the cases hospitalised directly due to covid.

Hardly seems worth the effort to go and get my second vaccine on Saturday then, i'm going to get it anyway. I will, but how can it be even 70% effective if so many are still getting ill?

I wouldn't be surprised if it increased either, but it is accurate as of the 8th July so just doesnt bear out the 1 in 25 statistic quoted earlier

@User135644

Hardly seems worth the effort to go and get my second vaccine on Saturday then, i'm going to get it anyway. I will, but how can it be even 70% effective if so many are still getting ill?

Of course it's worth it! Yes, I have covid, after two jabs. But it's mild. It's a bad cold, nothing more. Without vaccination I could have killed me.

Go get your jab!

DH and I are both double jabbed and currently have Covid. It's like a bad cold.

Colleague also has it. She is younger than me, and single jabbed. She has the same symptoms but much much worse.

Eg. I didn't have a temperature. She does. I had ear ache for 1 hour. She was up all night in agony. I lost my taste for 3 hours. She can't taste a thing. Etc etc etc

@User135644

Hardly seems worth the effort to go and get my second vaccine on Saturday then, i'm going to get it anyway. I will, but how can it be even 70% effective if so many are still getting ill?

30% is still quite a lot of people. And the severity may have been worse. The jabs don't stop you getting the virus. They help prevent you getting ill and they help stop you transmitting it.

As of today, I know of 3 people who have just tested positive for Covid and are double jabbed!

They are early 40s and younger, the one in their early thirties sounds like they are quite rough

I'm most definitely taking things more cautiously as opposed to "total freedom!" on Monday 19th

I would think it's the Delta variant which is the cause of the above 3 cases

I for one am very grateful to be double jabbed, despite the fact it's not 100% protection...but then, what vaccine is?

I thought 48% of the 48000 today had both jabs!

We have 3 relatives who've tested positive this week (north east), all double jabbed

Just to add- we're in SE London

Yep, OH double jabbed with AZ and caught it, assuming from Wembley

@Bryonyshcmyony

I wouldn't be surprised if it increased either, but it is accurate as of the 8th July so just doesnt bear out the 1 in 25 statistic quoted earlier

Well, I didn't just make it up!

Here you go, I googled it for you and found this article from early June, which quotes Sir David King's 1 in 25 statement.

www.nottinghampost.com/news/uk-world-news/400-people-day-catching-covid-5497125

Around 400 infections a day are among people who have had both vaccines, Sir David King, former chief scientific adviser to the government and chair of the Independent Sage Group, said, and he has called for lockdown lifting to be delayed.

He told Sky News “we know that anyone vaccinated twice is relatively safe against the virus.

“But let’s not forget the one in 25 new cases are people who have been vaccinated twice – that means 400 new cases a day are people who had the vaccine twice.

“While there is an extensive amount of virus out there in the country, amongst our people, it is dangerous.”

He continued: “Dying isn’t the sole issue about that we’re trying to avoid here. The number of people who are suffering from long Covid in the country is enormous and this is not a simply a flu, once you’ve had the vaccine.”

He was saying that 1 in 25 people who were testing positive has been fully vaccinated (the proportion has gone up significantly since then).

He was not saying that 1 in 25 people who had been fully vaccinated were testing positive.

Er...yeah? And? He was saying of the positive cases then, 1 in 25 had been fully jabbed.

Thread, titled "2 jabs... anyone had both and still caught Covid?" Bunch of posters say yes, or they know someone... Several snide comments about "only on mn" implying they are lying...

Percentages have shifted with the massive rise in case numbers, presumably. But the point remains, it is possible.

It would be helpful to know vaccine breakdown for the fully jabbed deaths. Perhaps in fact it might reassure people. I've seen a number of people expressing concerns over it's perceived lower efficacy. (of course, if the data does indicate lower efficacy, we should aim to mRNA booster the AZ jabbed vulnerable asap).

Delta is fast becoming the dominant strain in America. We shall see over the coming weeks, but for now 99.5% of the deaths are in the unvaccinated over there.

Recent study I read yesterday suggests vulnerable are less protected by AZ. I'll link later as need to get on now.