New Boris Statement: Where is this going?

[DadAManger]

‘We recommend masks but only recommend them’
‘Deaths will increase and we may reach 100,000 new cases per day’
‘We must open now and if not now, when?’
‘The slower we take it, the smaller number of people will die’
‘Return to the office of you can, otherwise keep working from home’

Just before Boris spoke, there was a BBC piece claiming that 10-20% of all Covid cases (mild, without symptoms, or otherwise) will be long-Covid cases of some sort or another. Now there a million long-Covid cases.

Are we aiming for herd immunity? Anyone else think this is going to be confusing for most and lead to a default setting of ‘normal’? Where is this going?

@CosmicHeat

www.gov.uk/government/publications/notifiable-diseases-weekly-reports-for-2021?fbclid=IwAR2glXHn5TnyyDtGLug_pgONGVnprker74a8t1fvlTe_3oIvYhDdwslIr2Q

Which data do we look at? I daresay your's is based on those oh so reliable PCR and lateral flow tests that can be fooled by lemon juice.

Jesus do you think we're all thick or something? I can't believe anyone would try to mislead people about the number of Covid cases. Seriously, what's in it for you?

If you're truly just easily confused and somehow unable to check this information by yourself, here's why your figures are completely wrong.

“NOIDS reports are simply one route for clinicians to report suspected cases of COVID-19, which may or may not be subsequently confirmed”, a PHE spokesperson told Reuters via email. “They do not in any way represent a total number of confirmed cases.”

Lab reports confirm or dismiss the primary diagnosis, and if found to be positive this result is recorded centrally.

The national total for positive test results is published on the government’s COVID-19 dashboard.

No wonder some people are not worrying 🤦🏼‍♀️. Sky news confirms over 40000 new cases just today but actual thats 25 for the week!
I know more than 25 people with Covid at the moment so what a load of bull. By next week we are going to be at 50000, daily deaths have gone up too. I can’t see us getting to September without the hospitals struggling to be honesty I just pray I loose no one to it xx

@Tinydancer321

No wonder some people are not worrying 🤦🏼‍♀️. Sky news confirms over 40000 new cases just today but actual thats 25 for the week! I know more than 25 people with Covid at the moment so what a load of bull. By next week we are going to be at 50000, daily deaths have gone up too. I can’t see us getting to September without the hospitals struggling to be honesty I just pray I loose no one to it xx

R4 tonight did a piece on hospitals in the NE struggling with CV patients, not in the numbers over winter but way higher than expected for summer.

People who aren't worrying are Tories and/or voted for Brexit.

People who aren't worrying are Tories and/or voted for Brexit.

I think it's simpler than that - they are just too dim to understand quite basic and readily available information. I guess some might pretend not to understand it in order to pursue another agenda.

So we have @CosmicHeat posting lies about how there are more cases of TB than covid and @Chris08 cheering them on for talking "sense". Moronic or malevolent, who can tell 🤷‍♀️

I believe another poster, on another thread yesterday, was absolutely crucified for saying hospitals in the NE were struggling.... seems he/she was correct.

@crocidura well said

@Covidforalways

I believe another poster, on another thread yesterday, was absolutely crucified for saying hospitals in the NE were struggling.... seems he/she was correct.

I think that was @PrincessNutNuts, yes it was a real pasting. I'm sure all the posters having a go have now apologised

@Earlydancing

After doing critical thinking, is that really the only assessment that people can come up with: Tories are happy if people die?

Yes, they are.

Tories are callous. They've spent over a decade starving people, and denying people basic human rights. Tory policies have absolutely killed people.

Do you really think Tories give a fiddler's fart about you, or anyone else?

@Covidforalways

I believe another poster, on another thread yesterday, was absolutely crucified for saying hospitals in the NE were struggling.... seems he/she was correct.

That doesn't surprise me one bit. I keep in touch with regional hospitals. Sarah-Jane Marchs (CEO of Birmingham Women and children' hospital) posted a few days ag othat they'd had to stand their covid system response back up due to the numbers of covid patients in ITU across the city.

The Tories refused to wait long enough to give enough UK citizens the jab (need to be double-jabbed) . That's just one area they failed in. No border control, despite Brexit and "takign back control". Other countries closed their borders (as has always been heir right: Tories just refuse to do that: easier to blame the EU instead).

@singingstones & @Covidforalways

Always being ahead of the curve is both a blessing and a curse.

To be fair to the posters working themselves up about it, I don't often bother to go and get evidence on request any more. If people genuinely want to equip themselves with the facts, they will.

[quote PrincessNutNuts]**@singingstones* & @Covidforalways*

Always being ahead of the curve is both a blessing and a curse.

To be fair to the posters working themselves up about it, I don't often bother to go and get evidence on request any more. If people genuinely want to equip themselves with the facts, they will. [/quote]
So you can link us to these reports that hospitals in the NE are on their knees now? Or do they still not exist? You can't claim to not "bother to go and get evidence" that doesn't exist. I can see an article on the BBC site where they are worried about what might happen but not much more than that.

Here's the article from the BBC
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57836137
22 in our local hospital (and it's a big one that deals with most of the area) and 5 in ICU. I'm sure those numbers will go up a lot over the next few weeks, but to say we are experiencing major problems is just utter bollocks.

@DogFacedWoman but we are not out of restrictions yet! The “fun” hasn’t started. Going to take at least a month to see what this next step has done. We are now in the calm. I also don’t think they have thought is school kids at all. It’s really not worth 6 weeks of freedom and numbers increasing as by the time they go back it’s going to be awful.

@DogFacedWoman

Here's the article from the BBC www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57836137 22 in our local hospital (and it's a big one that deals with most of the area) and 5 in ICU. I'm sure those numbers will go up a lot over the next few weeks, but to say we are experiencing major problems is just utter bollocks.

There isn't the capacity in the healthcare service to deal with any increase. That seems to be difficult for people, who doubtless have swallowed the Tories line that they actually care about the NHS, to grasp.

Doesn't bode well that they have already had to suspend visiting in Sunderland and South Tyneside hospitals because of Covid. The remaining restrictions haven't even been lifted yet.

Why do people and the media saying we need the 3rd and exit wave to be now.
What makes them so sure no 4th wave.
As Israel saying pfizer wears off after 6months so groups 1-3 maybe due booster very soon.

Theres always a 3 week lag so any impact on freedom day Monday 19th will show week beginning 9th August with impact football socialising week or so before.
School meant to return 3rd sept onwards.
Anyone deluding themselves thinking 6 week circuit break School being off will help and that won't be massive disruption next term.
The problem is other than numbers in hospital and deaths society needs people to be well and in work to function.
For every ill child at home with covid is least 1 parent at home with them.
Not sure if whole houses isolates now if someone postive in the house or not?
But when school got hardly any staff.
Nhs got hardly any staff
Shortages in shops as do many hgb drivers ill.
Bins on street not picked up
Only then will we see the consequence letting it rise so out of control as well as opening up international travel.

@3asAbird totally agree. The disruption of 100000 being off every single let alone having Covid. 🤦🏼‍♀️. Going to have a massive impact every where and nothing will function.

It could wipe offices out 🤦🏼‍♀️

As Israel saying pfizer wears off after 6months so groups 1-3 maybe due booster very soon

The plan is for groups 1-4 to have a booster (programme not yet fully confirmed, but it is expected to go ahead pretty much on the current plan) starting in September, and to those who are medically entitled to flu jabs after that

@nether

As Israel saying pfizer wears off after 6months so groups 1-3 maybe due booster very soon

The plan is for groups 1-4 to have a booster (programme not yet fully confirmed, but it is expected to go ahead pretty much on the current plan) starting in September, and to those who are medically entitled to flu jabs after that

How will that work? there is no plan to actually do this and it will take 2/3 months to do, even with a flat out effort, have Pfizer even developed a booster vaccine i.e one that is long lasting and effective against Delta.

So people start having flu jabs at xmas?

If there is any plan, it is Herd Immunity, Johnson wanted this and in Javid, he has the support to do so.

This is the new normal and we need to get on with it

You have no idea then?

@Covidforalways

What nether has posted is indeed the plan released by the government, boosters in conjunction with flu vaccine, the information is in the public domain!

@NotPersephone I actually have 3 children with disabilities like you we have been awaiting ot and salt. My older 2 are at a den school luckily they have these professionals on site.
My youngest however hasn’t been so lucky. All the speech therapists and ot here have actually been working on Covid wards! So when numbers came down they were allowed to go back to their job. However if numbers rise they will be called in again!!! So actually this isn’t good (maybe for just my area!).
Tories cut the funding and sold these services years ago. Before Covid these services were awful. Cp children here get 3 physio sessions a year the rest you have to pay for, salt only 4 times a year even for non verbal children and past year 2 won’t see you! Same with ot.
I’m certainly not blaming Covid for the failings here tbh.

No one is saying we need to live in lockdown forever, what makes me laugh is all these people saying life has changed now we have to get on with it, are actually the people who can’t stand change not us!
Can’t stand the change that maybe we will need to wear masks for years to come,
Maybe pubs and clubs will have to have limited numbers.
Maybe company’s will have to pay for ventilation.
Maybe social distancing with strangers needs to become a thing.
Think it’s very naive to think we can all just go back to normal. We can make small changes. It’s not like the last few months we have not been able to see friends and family.