Double jabbed - how safe do you feel?

[PuzzledObserver]

Coverage in the press today about advice to employers being slimmed down - basically it will be up to them to do their own risk assessments and decide on policy in their premises. Also coverage (and a thread already) about Govt plans to make Covid passports compulsory for access to pubs, clubs and restaurants from the Autumn - to encourage take-up of vaccines among the young.

If you are double-jabbed - how safe do you feel and are there things you will still not do?

I am double-jabbed on top of having had Covid. I am happy to meet with small groups of people indoors, but keeping a reasonable distance. I will continue to avoid crowded and cramped places, and to wear a mask on public transport and in shops. The mask is more to protect others in the unlikely event that I am infected.

My logic is that Covid has more chance of overcoming my immunity if I’m exposed to a lot of it all at once, e.g. the crowded stuffy indoor setting, so that is to be avoided. Whereas a ‘glancing blow’ of Covid from a short exposure is unlikely to overcome my immunity. If anything, it will remind my immune system of who the enemy is, and strengthen it.

That article kind of proves our point with long Covid though. They define it as symptoms after 8 weeks. When I had flu it took me months to recover. Pneumonia can wipe people out for a year. Glandular fever? Pleurisy?

I don't think it’s unusual to still feel unwell 8 weeks after a serious viral illness.

I think for it to be ‘long’ Covid it should be at least 12 weeks. Then we could have an accurate look at how many people this is affecting and what the symptoms are. It’s obviously a huge problem but we need a clear, official definition.

@TheKeatingFive

There's information via the NHS as to what they categorise as Long Covid

It's really vague, including anyone with any symptoms 4 weeks after diagnosis.

We need clarity on what serious 'long covid' involves and the percentages who get it. At the moment, the data includes people who had no official diagnosis of covid to begin with and people with a sniffy nose 4 weeks after the event.

It's a mess. We can't take any meaningful decisions on what data is available right now.

A "sniffy nose" isn't, and to my awareness has not been, a diagnostic symptom for long covid. I just checked both nhs sources and neither contain it.

I posted earlier as a possible double bacvinated but with Covid symptoms. Well today dh who is double vaccinated has tested positive for Covid. Dd who is 15 and not vaccinated has tested positive and my double vaccinated and would say more unwell than the two of them has tested negative.
How can I have avoided it and still following all the same precautions become ill and dh and dd ?
So fed up of all of this and frankly prepared to wear face mask and social distance forever if that’s what it takes. Ds2 has had to come home from work placement and we are now confined to a small 3 bed semi where it’s bound to spread.

A "sniffy nose" isn't, and to my awareness has not been, a diagnostic symptom for long covid

You can be diagnosed with ‘long covid’ because you have ongoing mild symptoms.

That is the point I’m making. I’m sure you’re bright enough to follow that.

The 1 in 50 long Covid statistic is from the Kings college London research and refers to people who have significant life impairments for at least 12 weeks.

@Snog

The 1 in 50 long Covid statistic is from the Kings college London research and refers to people who have significant life impairments for at least 12 weeks.

Has there been any info pre v post vaccination rates?

Two doses of the vaccination is meant to cut the chance of long covid by 30%
inews.co.uk/news/politics/long-covid-vaccine-cuts-chance-third-major-new-study-1058474

@TheKeatingFive

A "sniffy nose" isn't, and to my awareness has not been, a diagnostic symptom for long covid

You can be diagnosed with ‘long covid’ because you have ongoing mild symptoms.

That is the point I’m making. I’m sure you’re bright enough to follow that.

Have you been diagnosed with 'long covid' with ongoing mild symptoms?

The diagnostic criteria is visible and transparent on the NHS literature. If you know someone who has been diagnosed with long covid for having a "sniffy nose" for four weeks following covid infection, I suggest either they are lying about diagnosis, that they are claiming other symptoms to their health professional, or that the health professional that diagnosed them is lying.

Of course, there's always the alternative - that you don't actually know anyone diagnosed with Long Covid with a "sniffy nose".

I'm sure you're bright enough to work out which option is most accurate.

I feel rather safe. Dh and dc all got positive test and symptoms. I had pcr test too and it was negative. I did a lft couple of days later and still negative. I am now isolating and planning to do lft the day I am freed.

The diagnostic criteria is visible and transparent on the NHS literature.

And there are all kinds of people on here using other criteria and throwing around percentages to further agendas.

There is no clarity. Until there is, there can be no sensible debate. Not that difficult to follow, surely?

I work in a dental hospital and mostly were all double jabbed. The amount of people off with covid is the highest it's ever been. We're on skeleton staff there's literally no one. I don't feel particularly safe tbh

Panorama tonight is all about Long Covid. 7.35 BBC.

@Wakeupin2022

I was never particularly worried how we would deal with Covid as a family.

Now DH and I are double jabbed I am even less worried although I know there is a reasonable chance we could get it and have symptoms. We also have 2 children who I don't believe have been infected yet.

^^^ This describes my situation and feelings towards Covid too!!

I'm becoming a little anxious at the rising numbers, but really that's because I'm pregnant so I think if I caught covid I'd feel absolutely terrified, its taken me a long time to get here and I've been quite anxious anyway. If I wasn't pregnant I'd feel fairly safe, I don't think if be heading out to packed bars and nightclubs just yet but id definitely be meeting friends indoors etc (I'm still doing that one to one but no larger groups.)

I am not sure how I feel. I had an eye infection this week & saw the dr. He mentioned he diagnosed 3 people in the last week with Covid & all had been fully vaccinated. We will keep ourselves to mainly outdoor activities

Fairly safe but I am retired so most things are my choice, I don't have to worry about work, earning an income, DC at school and be at the mercy of others in those settings so a lot depends on your own situation in relation to others with how much control you have

Only recently double jabbed (1 week ago) so not up to full protection yet. In a raging hot spot for infections (worse than Jan). Trying to balance up what I need to do for MH reasons versus being cautious. The thing I dread is long Covid - I have a friend the same age (40s) who got it and their life is so damaged now. Many of the people who have developed it were not hospitalised, or even particularly severely ill, but jeez, the long term effects are horrific.... So no, do not feel safe.