covid cases rising

[essexgirl58]

I just read online that cases are rising and the Government are going to review the situation on Monday to make a decision as to what to do on the 19th July and if despite this if they still continue to relax things finally on the 19th July then I will have lost all respect for this UK Governemtnt and Boris should be sacked immediately, together with the Health Minister

The final step of unlocking is expected to go ahead as planned on 19 July in England. It will be confirmed on 12 July after a review of data.

That has always been the plan AFAIK.

Except for the sackings. If they are part of the plan they’ve not mentioned it.

That was always the plan. Who would you put in place if BJ was sacked out of interest? There isn't a viable candidate in either main party.

@idontlikealdi

That was always the plan. Who would you put in place if BJ was sacked out of interest? There isn't a viable candidate in either main party.

Gareth Southgate apparently.

Who would/could sack Johnson?

Cases rising means nothing now when so many people have such mild illness or are even asymptomatic. Its hospital numbers and deaths we need to focus on now.

@idontlikealdi

That was always the plan. Who would you put in place if BJ was sacked out of interest? There isn't a viable candidate in either main party.

Dilyn.

People aren't going to comply with this anymore and they know it.

@Scbchl

Cases rising means nothing now when so many people have such mild illness or are even asymptomatic. Its hospital numbers and deaths we need to focus on now.

Totally correct, the original message was to protect the NHS, they are no longer overrun with patients in hospital, hospitalisation have flatlined and so have deaths, infections will increase considerably, however if the vaccine works then cases should be no worse than normal flue or cold symptoms enabling people to go about their business as normal, that’s the theory anyway and the only way to try it is to remove restrictions, if we start to see a huge increase in either it’ll be back to the drawing board, I can understand many being scared however the world cannot run in fear of this forever, it’s not going away so there needs to be progress on how we move out of the current situation and learn to live with it

Cases rising locally has impacted my cloest hospital and I worry NHS will not cope. The hospital released a statement today informing that elective operations have been postponed since yday due to sharp rise in covid admissions / stressing A&E under extreme pressure and they have also taken decision to pause visiting!

As of today there is currently around 577000 known cases of people testing positive for Covid.
Of those around 2700 are in hospital (0.5% of the 577k) and of those 417 are classed as serious/critical (0.07% of the 577k)
Other countries with a similar number of cases, but a much lower level of vaccination (like Brazil, India, Russia, Indonesia etc.) have many 1000's in a critical condition.
Some posters will say that there is a lag of a couple of weeks, so let's look at other countries with a similar number of cases as we had 2 weeks ago around the 15000/day mark. Well Iran had over 3500 critical, Mexico 4800, Philippines (only 7000 cases) over 2000.
The vaccines are working and we really need to move on now.

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Yes cases are rising, but our excellent vaccine roll out has successfully severed the link between cases and severe illness /death. Some people will still die but far fewer than in countries where the vaccine programme isn't as good as here. Hence we can finally start living our lives again, despite rising cases. Some people will be anxious about this but the tide is turning from everyone having to pander to that to them having to learn to cope with their anxiety.

@Dreamer202

Cases rising locally has impacted my cloest hospital and I worry NHS will not cope. The hospital released a statement today informing that elective operations have been postponed since yday due to sharp rise in covid admissions / stressing A&E under extreme pressure and they have also taken decision to pause visiting!

And this is the point many are missing. Our a and e is under severe pressure urging people to stay away. Yes we have got to live with it but some measures like ditching masks in all settings is ludicrous

Greenwheat - vaccinations have not severed the link. Weakened but far from severed.

Some hospitals are struggling because for the last 40+ years the UK has consistently voted in governments that are ideologically opposed to properly funding the NHS, and in some cases actively engaged in dismantling it.

This started with Thatcher.

A country’s health system should be able to cope with the effects of a moderate infectious disease, even a new one. The fact that ours has struggled is not because of people’s behaviour in homes, schools and shops, but because of their behaviour at the ballot box.

@GreenWheat

Yes cases are rising, but our excellent vaccine roll out has successfully severed the link between cases and severe illness /death. Some people will still die but far fewer than in countries where the vaccine programme isn't as good as here. Hence we can finally start living our lives again, despite rising cases. Some people will be anxious about this but the tide is turning from everyone having to pander to that to them having to learn to cope with their anxiety.

If you've been listening to Chris Whitty et al you have misunderstood them. He could have been clearer that the link has been very much reduced but definitely not broken

The vaccine rollout is a great sucess but we must be accurate to make sure everyone is still cautious

They are allowing people to catch it now as guess what? There's no other option!

The economy is going to be fucked, peoples mental health is in the toilet, business are closing everywhere, the travel/hospitality industry is going to struggle to recover, kids education has been an absolute joke and CAHMS referrals and going to be through the roof (my friend, pastoral head at my local school said she's never seen anything like it - she's so upset as she can't even make a dent in all the kids that need some kind of extra help), I can go on...and on...

We have a vaccine. Hopefully the most vulnerable and elderly are double jabbed now and will not need hospital treatment if they catch it - although of course they still need to be extremely careful. Most adults are at least singularly jabbed. For most it's a very mild illness or symptomless. The NHS is not overwhelmed and will hopefully be able to cope if we have a big surge in cases (which will inevitably happen).

Numbers won't keep rising and rising, they will peak and tail off.
Much better to have this happen in summer when other viruses/infections are low than in winter.

We cannot sustain these lockdowns/restrictions. Lockdown was a temporary measure to protect the NHS from being overwhelmed.

What are people like you not getting OP? What would YOU do?

The vaccine rollout has not severed the link, it has reduced the constant. Hospitalisations are still directly proportional to infections, the constant has just reduced from about 0.1 to 0.02.

So, if we get a peak 5x the previous peak, hospitalisations will be the same. Additionally and positively, most hospital stays are shorter and fewer are moving to ICU.

But, infections are rising really fast and I am betting that they will have to lock down again at some point.

Aren't hospitals struggling because staff are having to self isolate rather than because of the number of covid patients? I see they are talking about exempting nhs staff from isolation rules.

Latest 7 day moving averages:

Infections +31%
Hospitalisations +56%

Link severed?!

A country’s health system should be able to cope with the effects of a moderate infectious disease, even a new one. The fact that ours has struggled is not because of people’s behaviour in homes, schools and shops, but because of their behaviour at the ballot box

I am not denying the NHS has been under funded. However you show me a country that has been able to cope with unchecked Covid infections. No matter how much money is chucked at it the health system will buckle the only question is at what point.

@TheReluctantPhoenix

Latest 7 day moving averages:

Infections +31%
Hospitalisations +56%

Link severed?!

But what % of those hospitalized are double vaxxed? From what I understand it's mostly unvaccinated people that are going to hospital.

The back track has started... I highly doubt all restrictions will be lifted. Thankfully.

Aren't hospitals struggling because staff are having to self isolate rather than because of the number of covid patients? I see they are talking about exempting nhs staff from isolation rules.

Yep, it's the isolations that are going to make the country come to a standstill and will cause the NHS to get in a mess again, not the infections. Hence they need to just do away with them and let symptomless people carry on. We've got to get on with it now - that's the plan.

The ReluctantPhoenix yes, link severed