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covid cases rising

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essexgirl58 · 10/07/2021 00:18

I just read online that cases are rising and the Government are going to review the situation on Monday to make a decision as to what to do on the 19th July and if despite this if they still continue to relax things finally on the 19th July then I will have lost all respect for this UK Governemtnt and Boris should be sacked immediately, together with the Health Minister

The final step of unlocking is expected to go ahead as planned on 19 July in England. It will be confirmed on 12 July after a review of data.

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Sparklingbrook · 10/07/2021 07:58

Aren’t they already proposing if you have had both jabs then the need to self isolate may be removed?

SonnetForSpring · 10/07/2021 08:00

@Doublestar

There will be complete chaos.

There hasn't been "complete chaos" at all so far really (unless you count lockdowns/kids not receiving an education etc as chaos)
So why would there be complete chaos now we have a (seemingly very effective) vaccine??

Either you're being purposely obtuse or you haven't been paying attention to the situation at all.
mrshoho · 10/07/2021 08:02

@Doublestar

Aren't hospitals struggling because staff are having to self isolate rather than because of the number of covid patients? I see they are talking about exempting nhs staff from isolation rules.

Yep, it's the isolations that are going to make the country come to a standstill and will cause the NHS to get in a mess again, not the infections. Hence they need to just do away with them and let symptomless people carry on. We've got to get on with it now - that's the plan.

And you think symptomless nhs staff treating ill people is going to go well? If we have uncontrolled infections in the community it will transcend into our hospitals.
traumatisednoodle · 10/07/2021 08:02

I was actually talking about the health service, yes I would have said that March 2020 and Dec 2020 could accurately be described as chaos. We are proposing unprecendented levels of community spread, they won't lock down again. There will be chaos (bussiness unable to open because of staff shortages, problems with public transport).

mrshoho · 10/07/2021 08:03

@Sparklingbrook

Aren’t they already proposing if you have had both jabs then the need to self isolate may be removed?
Yes but only as a close contact. If you have a positive pcr you still have to isolate (at the moment...)
leafygarden42 · 10/07/2021 08:03

Wowzers - all the smartasses who know best on this thread as well. But if you say 'Good morning' it's okay??

Some people will be anxious about this but the tide is turning from everyone having to pander to that to them having to learn to cope with their anxiety.

I hope that the government panders to my anxiety. I work in a hospital and yes, we're seeing A LOT of covid cases and it is PUTTING PRESSURE ON BEDS. I've put that in capital letters as some people STILL believe that this is not true and we just need to steam ahead and ignore the plain facts.

@TheReluctantPhoenix is 100% right. You may not like facts, but it is what it is. And yes, there is a direct correlation between hospital admissions and deaths. No klaxons needed.

Doublestar · 10/07/2021 08:04

Either you're being purposely obtuse or you haven't been paying attention to the situation at all.

Please explain this comment? To me complete chaos is the country grinding to a halt, no food, no healthcare, people rioting and dying in the streets, no public transport.

What is your idea of "complete chaos"?

NothingIsWrong · 10/07/2021 08:05

@crochetcrazy1978

If the rates continue climbing the number of people self isolating or taking time off to care for children self isolating will grind the country to a halt. They need to do away with self isolation for contacts.
Yes I was thinking that. Either they need hard restrictions to bring cases down to reduce the number of people isolating, or they need to move the date to when isolation is not required for U18's and double jabbed people forward to 19th July. Otherwise if you assume 500,000 cases per week with 5 contacts each, in a month 10M people will go into isolation.

That really will cause issues.

Pinuporc · 10/07/2021 08:05

“I will have lost all respect” [for this government]. I’m impressed it took this long! I lost all respect for them in about April of 2020

I'm surprised the OP took until today to notice that covid cases are rising. A lot. Confused
In fact I heard on the news yesterday that the rate of increase had slowed slightly...

Sparklingbrook · 10/07/2021 08:05

Yes but only as a close contact

Yes that’s what I understood. Which will hopefully eliminate a lot of the pointless isolating the App is making people do currently.

NannyAndJohn · 10/07/2021 08:05

@Doublestar

There will be complete chaos.

There hasn't been "complete chaos" at all so far really (unless you count lockdowns/kids not receiving an education etc as chaos)
So why would there be complete chaos now we have a (seemingly very effective) vaccine??

150000 dead and hundreds of thousands disabled by Long Covid isn't chaos?

Fuck me.

Pinuporc · 10/07/2021 08:09

Yes I was thinking that. Either they need hard restrictions to bring cases down to reduce the number of people isolating, or they need to move the date to when isolation is not required for U18's and double jabbed people forward to 19th July. Otherwise if you assume 500,000 cases per week with 5 contacts each, in a month 10M people will go into isolation.

I was wondering the same. At the very beginning of the pandemic they said up to 20% of the work force could be off at one time...surely we're heading towards a similar point? (Even if all the people are not unwell that will severly compromise services)

mrshoho · 10/07/2021 08:10

@Sparklingbrook

Yes but only as a close contact

Yes that’s what I understood. Which will hopefully eliminate a lot of the pointless isolating the App is making people do currently.

Yes it will stop that but lead to more isolations of actual positive people. How many will be incapacitated with it we don't know but they will still be isolating.
NothingIsWrong · 10/07/2021 08:11

Almost none of those people will be unwell. The vast majority of those who are themselves positive will have a bad cold, the rest will have no symptoms. There will be a few who are poorly though, but nothing like 10M

Doublestar · 10/07/2021 08:13

150000 dead and hundreds of thousands disabled by Long Covid isn't chaos

It's extremely sad that a new virus has reached our country and has killed lots of elderly and vulnerable people, along with all the other illnesses that usually kill elderly and vulnerable people, yes. It's certainly made the numbers a lot higher than they would usually be (what with attributing cause of death to covid even though many will have died "with" covid).

There are more than 166,000 cancer deaths in the UK every year

Is this "complete chaos"? Or are cancer deaths just boring and normal now?

You are utterly OBSESSED with long covid (ie post-viral fatigue) nannyandjohn. I don't know anyone who has it 🤷‍♀️. I know quite a few people with cancer though, and illnesses (including mental) that aren't being treated bc of the backlog.

MoreHairyThanScary · 10/07/2021 08:14

Whilst I agree the link to hospitalisations has been reduced the impact on the health service of unchecked transmission will be immense.

Staff will need to isolate with their families or care for children, hugely impacting services. I have a double jabbed member off currently who is very unwell.

The masks off open everything up is so short sighted, those I work with can see the potential horror. Does the government not want too ( or just not care) and it will be another stick to beat the 'failing' underfunded NHS with!

Sparklingbrook · 10/07/2021 08:14

Yes it will stop that but lead to more isolations of actual positive people. How many will be incapacitated with it we don't know but they will still be isolating

I get that. I do think the App needs looking at because it’s not fit for purpose at all currently. People are deleting it in their droves and I can understand why.

Wherediditgo · 10/07/2021 08:23

@Dreamer202

Cases rising locally has impacted my cloest hospital and I worry NHS will not cope. The hospital released a statement today informing that elective operations have been postponed since yday due to sharp rise in covid admissions / stressing A&E under extreme pressure and they have also taken decision to pause visiting!
Whereas, in my local area cases are astronomical - over 900/100k last time I checked. But no deaths since March and local hospital trust admissions are actually falling.
traumatisednoodle · 10/07/2021 08:33

The vaccines are (about) 90% effective after 2 doses. That leaves 10% vunerable, nevermind those who can't or won't be vaccinated. Quite enough to cause some serious disruption.

NothingIsWrong · 10/07/2021 08:34

@Wherediditgo same here. Loads of cases in my local authority. One death since early March.

BritWifeInUSA · 10/07/2021 08:34

The NHS is no more struggling/“on its knees” than it is any other year.

covid cases rising
doesparentingsuck · 10/07/2021 08:37

@BritWifeInUSA 😂

Cornettoninja · 10/07/2021 08:43

@BritWifeInUSA

The NHS is no more struggling/“on its knees” than it is any other year.
Whilst I agree with this it does distract from the fact that there needs to be an urgent discussion over what the plan is long term fo deal with covid. The NHS has been struggling for decades and now has to absorb the workload created by endemic covid. Straw that broke the camels back?

If this is it for the NHS then the Tories need to own it ASAP so people have the opportunity to organise and prepare for a reduced access to healthcare. Tbh I don’t think that private healthcare provision is enough in this country to take on the demand for those even able to access it; maybe that’s why they’re avoiding putting anything in black and white. We simply don’t have the HCP’s never mind anything else when covid is added to the equation.

mrshoho · 10/07/2021 08:44

@MoreHairyThanScary

Whilst I agree the link to hospitalisations has been reduced the impact on the health service of unchecked transmission will be immense.

Staff will need to isolate with their families or care for children, hugely impacting services. I have a double jabbed member off currently who is very unwell.

The masks off open everything up is so short sighted, those I work with can see the potential horror. Does the government not want too ( or just not care) and it will be another stick to beat the 'failing' underfunded NHS with!

This is it. Very high community cases is going to cause such high staff shortages. We just don't have an infinite pool of experienced staff to take over. Look at Brazil where they are seeing much higher numbers of babies and children dying not just because of covid. We started off with an overstretched nhs so don't have much room to avoid tipping over.
Lunaduckdrop · 10/07/2021 08:57

The growth in hospitalisations is still exponential. The doubling time is just a lot greater than it was so the graph appears flatter. The NHS has to be able to cope with the huge backlog in operations and treatments that have been postponed over the last 18 months. Keeping some mitigations and vaccinating a lot more people, including teenagers, would help this. If we go for a complete free for all on 19 July it eventually won't be able to cope and so we will have another lockdown in the winter