What is going on?????

[Dustyboots]

Sorry, I know there’ve been countless threads discussing this sort of thing. But so far all I can find are people arguing about masks and smoking ...

What is our government doing? What are they up to? I’ve just seen a tweet with a German news report that says the UK is conducting a mass Covid experiment.

Is our government trying to crash the NHS in order to dismantle it?

What are they up to?

'Repeat a lie often enough and people start to believe it'.

Also relevant:
“A lie can run round the world before the truth has got its boots on.”

@Earlydancing

Thank you *@mathanxiety*. I saw people on here complaining that it was disgusting that their children had to wear masks and refused to do weekly testing of their children. It's nice to see in the US that people behaved for the good of the many.

Some of the states were absolutely fantastic. New York was really good--it hit them so hard at the beginning that they took it incredibly seriously. Ditto for much of the northeast.

Not true everywhere. There are lots of states that have banned universities from requiring vaccinations and banned vaccine passports. Hell, Texas made it illegal to require a mask in schools and public health departments!

It really is the id and the superego of America playing out in real time.

@Earlydancing

What happens if they refuse to test like parents are allowed to do here? Is it an automatic exclusion?

No idea were you are but my dc13 hasn't tested once for school. Teachers haven't questioned why not either.

@Sweettea1

Why does there have to be something going on? How about most people have had vaccine now especially the most vulnerable so it's time to get back to normal. Was that not always the plan! You need to remember people will catch covid even with vaccine but shouldn't end up in hospital therefore NHS won't crumble. Always looking for the negatives just go enjoy yaself jeez.

Ok love, will round up the blokes and look forward to the footie (tongue firmly in cheek) can't find appropriate emoji

@Staffy1

Apparently the NHS are already cancelling operations again to cope with the increase in covid patients, so to do away with all restrictions now is madness.

This is true - my local hospital has cancelled has cancelled operations due to increase in Covid patients.

@beigebrownblue yes do that sounds like fun. Guessing you remember what fun is.

Have we gone through the lockdowns and getting vaccines for nothing?
Shall we all just stay home hoping one day this will be over?
Sooner people realise covid is going no where the better.

@Earlydancing

Thank you *@mathanxiety*. I saw people on here complaining that it was disgusting that their children had to wear masks and refused to do weekly testing of their children. It's nice to see in the US that people behaved for the good of the many.

If you are in England and have school children - you will obviously have woken up to the fact that by stealth the children have been unofficially experimented in de facto over crowded non ventilation non risk mitigation school Covid labs for quite some time despite Indian Delta, Delta Plus or Peru Lambda. Children are infectious hence why so many Covid bubbles are bursting in recent weeks and months. Some more vulnerable children may develop as yet unknown full extent of long Covid syndrome. Children unless possibly 17 and above will not be afforded vaccination protection unlike other countries. Basically as in an inflight crash, put your own mask on first and then try to protect your child next too. It may be a bumpy ride but the mandatory government “safety” net is being removed so it’s every man, woman and child for themselves in this herd immunity stress testing selected population vaccination efficacy live experiment. In person over crowded schools are essentially non sustainable in its current format. I am forever baffled why Scottish children aged over four are wise enough to be masked but English ones prefer Covid incubation and Covid tag until long Covid instead.

It evidently seems like let it rip is the new get a grip! Good luck and remember it’s now vaccinate - hands - face - space - trace - workplace. Don’t expect a new learning on the job ex banker chancellor to do anything but be tasked to optimise and semi privatise the NHS and “social care.” All you can eat all inclusive NHS is history as seemingly it is challenging just treating one very contagious disease. Long Covid may be the new cancer and a very long term NHS resourcing challenge. However that is for future governments as the current crop will be long gone to clean up the legacy mess.

[quote Sweettea1]@beigebrownblue yes do that sounds like fun. Guessing you remember what fun is.

Have we gone through the lockdowns and getting vaccines for nothing?
Shall we all just stay home hoping one day this will be over?
Sooner people realise covid is going no where the better.[/quote]
Yes, hon I remember humour.

Pity you didn't recognise it as such.

Perhaps you have lost your sense of it, huh?

@Earlydancing

We are in NYS. Went fully remote March 2020 until November 2020. Then went hybrid so half the school went in Mon and Tuesday, everyone was remote on Weds (on a 2 hour delay to allow teachers time to do work on the technical aspect) and the other half of the school went in Thursday and Friday. If you were exposed, you found out that day and went remotely for two weeks. By May, all kids had to choose whether to go 5 days all remote or 5 days in person learning. There was no compulsory testing except for if you were exposed.

Masks worn throughout. All kids given a chrome book and all homes that didn’t previously have it were given WiFi. Free meals available for every child in the district. Sounds great but our school taxes are $$$$ so it was expected.

Masks everywhere are now completely optional if you have both vaccines. Still mandatory if you haven’t but there is no policing of it in reality. Everything has been opened up pretty much and cases have stayed consistently low since the start of June. Pretty much all cases are in the unvaccinated population, which at this point is by choice, it’s so easy to get.

The handwringing and doomsday predictions I read on here are far from the reality if NE USA is anything to go by. However, I did catch a completely un COVID related cold as soon as I took my mask off. Everyone’s immune systems are down due to being home for so long.

@SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo

'Repeat a lie often enough and people start to believe it'.

Also relevant:
“A lie can run round the world before the truth has got its boots on.”

Nice one SKFW

Luckily mumsnet is faster than that...

Well, why not try a bit more positivity? (Not covid positivity!)

Why not shift all the depressing covid language to something much more fun?

Lockdown obsessed = social distancing superstars!

Lockdown sceptics = plague enthusiasts!

Don’t we all feel better already?

Luckily mumsnet is faster than that...

It starts off fast, then runs headfirst into a wall and starts repeating itself and vomiting bile.

Worth reading
twitter.com/hziauddeen/status/1413157660334100482?s=21

@Earlydancing

Thank you *@mathanxiety*. I saw people on here complaining that it was disgusting that their children had to wear masks and refused to do weekly testing of their children. It's nice to see in the US that people behaved for the good of the many.

I agree. Thanks mathanxiety. I have trouble too, adding up. Especially adding this up

@ SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo

Not sure if this is sarcasm or you for real eg 5G microchip vaccines etc.

But do tell Covid and let it know not to bother us. Covid may then be discriminatory only on those who don’t sing from your lexicon Covid hymn book. Who needs science when words and buster with humour/sarcasm will save the world! That’s the spirit!

Compliance is still high. The vast majority of the public want mitigation measures. 71% of the public, for example, want masks to stay after the 19th.

I'm not so sure about this. I was on a bus today then in a shop then at a petrol station. There were numerous people who either didn't have a mask or had a mask but it was pulled down with nose completely exposed and lips partially exposed. However their chins and top of neck were fully covered.
All of my neighbours have had numerous people visiting in and out of their homes for over a year (yes during lockdown), one had a large BBQ at the weekend, another had a large child's birthday party with at least 30 cars in the road which stayed for several hours (so parents were at the party as well as children) and another had a very large, very loud lasted until the early hours gathering a few months ago. None of these people had masks nor any of the people I see in the pubs I pass on my daily walk (which were rammed packed full of people watching the game Tuesday and yelling at the screens). Other friends, family and neighbours are going back to work daily in offices where people wear no masks and going out for after work drinks, grocery shopping, dinners in restaurants and pretty much the normal routine they had pre-covid.
I'm not saying people should or not be wearing masks and socially distancing or restricting their movements. What I'm saying is I don't see the majority of people doing it or taking any precautions at all. So for the government to tell me to keep following restrictions while I see so many others not doing it will be a very difficult pill for me to keep swallowing. There can't be some of us complying with 'pausing' our lives while others do whatever they want.

@Soverymuchfruit

On "why?" Pippa Creer (Mirror political journalist) reckons is because they no longer have enough Tory backbenchers in the House supporting the measures. To win a vote on extending them, they'd have to rely on support from Labour. Labour would give that support. But it would be humiliating to the government. So they'd rather just set the NHS on fire. Again.

I find this theory extremely plausible.

I think this.

Covid is a crisis in many ways on a par with war. Perhaps worth another wartime style coalition? I doubt it will happen but it might be best if Boris and Keir agreed to work together, to get us through this.

But we never went for herd immunity. Did we?

I'm not so sure it wasn't tried. It won't work though. People can catch it again. Particularly new strains. The way to herd immunity is majority fully vaccinated.

[quote Zotter]Worth reading
twitter.com/hziauddeen/status/1413157660334100482?s=21[/quote]
Thank you for the link.

@ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia

@ SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo

Not sure if this is sarcasm or you for real eg 5G microchip vaccines etc.

But do tell Covid and let it know not to bother us. Covid may then be discriminatory only on those who don’t sing from your lexicon Covid hymn book. Who needs science when words and buster with humour/sarcasm will save the world! That’s the spirit!

Excuse me? Look at the post a few above mine where where someone’s warbling on about “just enjoy yourself, stop stressing!” It was a pisstake based on that.

Do you not even check a posters other posts on the thread before you just go off on them? Like the Byline times article I posted (on this page no less!) criticising the government’s response of not listening to the science?

I don't get what the fuss is all about.

It's a strange parallel situation at the moment. Covid is just ripping through schools and my DD and most of her friends have been isolating at some point over the last month because they came into contact with one student who was mildly ill with Covid.

But for the vaccinated, life is pretty much back to normal where I live.

Over a year on and I still only know of two people who ever got really sick with it, and I'm in a big city.

@ SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo

Thanks for your reply. Noted and I retract my above post name incorrectly name checking you. It is a regrettable error in haste. Sorry for the miscommunication.

However now I can’t stop laughing at the fact that someone might think “plague enthusiast” is a term of endearment supporting the “5G microchip vaccine” crowd so thank you for that!
@ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia
(It’s from Twitter re antivaxxers)

Cross post ResIpsa No hard feelings Just had a tiny heart attack that I might be mistaken for a covid denier so apologies for being snappy at you!

Thank you everyone who replied from the US. Its interesting to see how different states did things. I suppose different climates influenced things as well as politics.
So what was the overall difference in case and death rates between the states. @Nancydrawn said Texas has stopped all mitigations. Has their death rate shot up in comparison to to one of the northern states?

People on here seem to be very politically savvy and aware, and I'm afraid I'm not. But still, I don't believe the government, or any government of any colour, experiments on children and doesn't care if people die. If nothing else, it's a bad look that could effect the next election.

@scoobydoo1971

Medical epidemiologist here, and NHS patient who had two surgeries in the middle of a pandemic with more urgent procedures to come very soon. Our economy cannot afford anymore hits. Vaccination is a good thing and we cannot save everyone. Lockdown wasn't about saving people; it was slowing the onslaught on the NHS and private sector health care systems. In pandemic times you cannot save everyone and we should be dazzled that a vaccine can be provided so quickly to a whole population. You have to balance lockdown saving lives vs. free movement saving small traders jumping off a cliff. The revenue cannot keep dishing out grants as our great great grandchildren will be paying for that. We have to be pragmatic. We have a vaccine system which works most of the time. We have an economically-active population who need jobs to feed and house themselves, and for mental health reasons need to feel productive and outside the home. Children need educating. We all need a holiday. All that requires opening up the country and lowering restrictions. I am personally more worried about the burden of unemployment and certain sectors being unable to function due to lack of job applicants (like farming and catering), than COVID-19. I should add that I am still on the clinically vulnerable shielding list, despite two jabs. From a body that would most likely die of COVID-19 if I became susceptible, I still urge Boris to open up the country for the sake of more-healthy people and on the basis of evidence-based science.

"We all need a holiday"? Then take a holiday. You can support that good old British economy at the same time. But that's not what those of you talking about the need to "open up the country" want is it? You want to spend your money elsewhere.