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What is going on?????

377 replies

Dustyboots · 08/07/2021 21:47

Sorry, I know there’ve been countless threads discussing this sort of thing. But so far all I can find are people arguing about masks and smoking ...

What is our government doing? What are they up to? I’ve just seen a tweet with a German news report that says the UK is conducting a mass Covid experiment.

Is our government trying to crash the NHS in order to dismantle it?

What are they up to?

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neveradullmoment99 · 08/07/2021 23:41

@beigebrownblue I totally agree.
They actually don't care.

mathanxiety · 08/07/2021 23:42

America took a lot more mitigation measures than here. Including in many states schools closed for up to a year.

YY to that.

Schools shut without any notice here on March 16th 2020 and distance learning commenced. In my locality, the public schools issued iPads and chromebooks to all students to facilitate distance learning, and sorted out low cost internet for families struggling to afford it. Free school lunches switched to imperishable packets, which were picked up from the schools once a week all year including the summer and winter breaks.

Schools reopened partially in January, with distancing, pods, masks on everyone, no exceptions, in all schools. Different pods occupied different sections of the playground in a rotating schedule for breaks and lunchtime. Students brought their own lunches and ate in their classrooms - cafeterias were closed.

The high school reopened partially in January with the student body divided into cohorts, and different cohorts in school for a few hours per week, fully masked, specific routes marked around the school, with distance learning the rest of the time using school-issued chromebooks.

No mask, no entry, no exceptions.

Universities closed too. My younger DDs have been at home doing online classes for the duration of the pandemic. Those remaining open or opening partially have had successful test, trace, and isolation procedures, and many US universities require proof of vaccination for students returning this autumn.

beigebrownblue · 08/07/2021 23:43

@Dustyboots

The UK is creating high risk conditions for the development of a vaccine resistant strain.

Why though?

Our government and all their advisers get paid a fortune to think this all through and plan. Why would they do this?

Because they get paid a fortune hon.

It is not rocket science.

Hands in the pockets of their mates in the gene tech industry, keep on producing vaccines that won't work, new variants and more profit.

Make sense?

Soverymuchfruit · 08/07/2021 23:43

On "why?" Pippa Creer (Mirror political journalist) reckons is because they no longer have enough Tory backbenchers in the House supporting the measures. To win a vote on extending them, they'd have to rely on support from Labour. Labour would give that support. But it would be humiliating to the government. So they'd rather just set the NHS on fire. Again.

I find this theory extremely plausible.

Earlydancing · 08/07/2021 23:43

@Tealightsandd. I didn't know american children took a year off. Have they ever been back to school or are they still off?

Noterook · 08/07/2021 23:44

I don't get this 'Its summer' It is not a seasonal illness

The NHS is near on crippled every winter, adding covid into the mix doesn't sound that enticing.

mathanxiety · 08/07/2021 23:46

@Earlydancing, see my post a few above yours at 23:42:48 on my observations of local schools in the US.

beigebrownblue · 08/07/2021 23:46

@Tealightsandd

Compliance is just gone.

Say something enough times in the hope it becomes reality...

Compliance is still high. The vast majority of the public want mitigation measures. 71% of the public, for example, want masks to stay after the 19th.

We've all had enough. But having enough doesn't make it go away. Ignoring the problem or pretending it no longer exists only serves to drag the situation out - and in fact, it makes matters worse (due to the risk of developing a vaccine resistant strain).

The quote is in actual fact:

'Repeat a lie often enough and people start to believe it'.

That's the quote.

Not

'say something enough times in the hope it becomes reality'.

The reality is what we are living.

The lie is the lie. Or lies, multiple ones.

neveradullmoment99 · 08/07/2021 23:46

I get that the flu kicks in but keeping mitigations and giving flu jabs would help with that.

neveradullmoment99 · 08/07/2021 23:47

Plus if they were to leave it a bit later, more people would be vaccinated and then we would deal with winter when it came.
How can you predict a virus?
Its nonsense.

Staffy1 · 08/07/2021 23:48

@Dustyboots

The UK is creating high risk conditions for the development of a vaccine resistant strain.

Why though?

Our government and all their advisers get paid a fortune to think this all through and plan. Why would they do this?

Money and no thought for long term consequences as this could actually back-fire and be a lot worse for the economy than taking precautions for a little while longer until more adults are fully vaccinated. I also think it’s incredibly wrong to do this without even giving over 12s the option to be vaccinated.
beigebrownblue · 08/07/2021 23:49

Wiki source.
The following quote, “If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself,” is also misattributed to Joseph Goebbels. But he said something with the similar idea. Paul Joseph Goebbels was Hilter’s propaganda minister in Nazi Germany.
But am sure there are others:

Noterook · 08/07/2021 23:50

@neveradullmoment99

I get that the flu kicks in but keeping mitigations and giving flu jabs would help with that.
Because apparently there were zero flu deaths or close to it last year (!) the flu vaccine will be a bit of a finger in the air this year, its much harder to predict which strain is going to be most effective in the vaccines, so really meh I wouldn't rely on those this year. It's not just flu in winter, there are a lot of illnesses exasperated by the cold, and bad weather conditions often lead to a rise in accidents etc. I wouldn't mind social distancing and masks every winter to be honest in public places, but over summer is sensible to open up imo.
LucyLockdownLover · 08/07/2021 23:51

@Dustyboots

Sorry, I know there’ve been countless threads discussing this sort of thing. But so far all I can find are people arguing about masks and smoking ...

What is our government doing? What are they up to? I’ve just seen a tweet with a German news report that says the UK is conducting a mass Covid experiment.

Is our government trying to crash the NHS in order to dismantle it?

What are they up to?

Mate, you have to look after yourself, the govt don't care about you, it's all about £££££££.
Staffy1 · 08/07/2021 23:51

Apparently the NHS are already cancelling operations again to cope with the increase in covid patients, so to do away with all restrictions now is madness.

Earlydancing · 08/07/2021 23:51

Thank you @mathanxiety. I saw people on here complaining that it was disgusting that their children had to wear masks and refused to do weekly testing of their children. It's nice to see in the US that people behaved for the good of the many.

mathanxiety · 08/07/2021 23:53

Also, the high school required weekly testing of every student doing in-person learning.

BanditoShipman · 08/07/2021 23:56

I don’t understand re the boosters, we don’t know how long the vaccines work for, do we? So why give boosters when the vaccines might work for say 3 years?

Also, what are the rules in NI, Wales and Scotland re masks and SD come the 19th? I’ve only seen what England is doing.

Earlydancing · 08/07/2021 23:57

What happens if they refuse to test like parents are allowed to do here? Is it an automatic exclusion?

SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo · 08/07/2021 23:58

Curiouser and curiouser! (For limited and specific situations where curious = ever more fucking predictable.)

bylinetimes.com/2021/07/08/governments-mass-infection-plan-pushed-by-great-barrington-declaration-lobbying-effort-to-end-covid-protections/

“The GBD’s proposed strategy of letting the virus run to achieve herd immunity by natural infection has been widely criticised by more than 7,000 public health scientists. The declaration was sponsored by a right-wing libertarian think tank plugged into the Koch-backed climate science denial network, with a history of spreading misinformation on behalf of private health and tobacco lobbies. Most of the GBD’s supposed medical scientific signatories remain unverified and unvetted.”

Earlydancing · 08/07/2021 23:59

But we never went for herd immunity. Did we?

beigebrownblue · 09/07/2021 00:00

@scoobydoo1971

Medical epidemiologist here, and NHS patient who had two surgeries in the middle of a pandemic with more urgent procedures to come very soon. Our economy cannot afford anymore hits. Vaccination is a good thing and we cannot save everyone. Lockdown wasn't about saving people; it was slowing the onslaught on the NHS and private sector health care systems. In pandemic times you cannot save everyone and we should be dazzled that a vaccine can be provided so quickly to a whole population. You have to balance lockdown saving lives vs. free movement saving small traders jumping off a cliff. The revenue cannot keep dishing out grants as our great great grandchildren will be paying for that. We have to be pragmatic. We have a vaccine system which works most of the time. We have an economically-active population who need jobs to feed and house themselves, and for mental health reasons need to feel productive and outside the home. Children need educating. We all need a holiday. All that requires opening up the country and lowering restrictions. I am personally more worried about the burden of unemployment and certain sectors being unable to function due to lack of job applicants (like farming and catering), than COVID-19. I should add that I am still on the clinically vulnerable shielding list, despite two jabs. From a body that would most likely die of COVID-19 if I became susceptible, I still urge Boris to open up the country for the sake of more-healthy people and on the basis of evidence-based science.
Astounding insights (Lol)

Yes, children are getting an 'education' sure enough.

They have been learning since and before the pandemic began that
the government doesn't give a shit about them.

Talked to any young people lately?

They are more astute than you appear to think.

LucyLockdownLover · 09/07/2021 00:00

@BanditoShipman

I don’t understand re the boosters, we don’t know how long the vaccines work for, do we? So why give boosters when the vaccines might work for say 3 years?

Also, what are the rules in NI, Wales and Scotland re masks and SD come the 19th? I’ve only seen what England is doing.

The govt is already planning boosters in September, so potentially people are having 3 jabs total in 6 months haha
Sweettea1 · 09/07/2021 00:04

Why does there have to be something going on? How about most people have had vaccine now especially the most vulnerable so it's time to get back to normal. Was that not always the plan! You need to remember people will catch covid even with vaccine but shouldn't end up in hospital therefore NHS won't crumble. Always looking for the negatives just go enjoy yaself jeez.

beigebrownblue · 09/07/2021 00:05

@HeddaGarbled

Is our government trying to crash the NHS in order to dismantle it?

No.

Yes.