Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Covid

Mumsnet doesn't verify the qualifications of users. If you have medical concerns, please consult a healthcare professional.

100,000 cases a day by August....bloody hell

754 replies

ssd · 06/07/2021 22:55

We're all going to get it eventually it seems

OP posts:
Thread gallery
15
KisstheTeapot14 · 08/07/2021 19:22

@NannyAndJohn

@52andblue I am so sorry about your daughter. Have you seen the Long Covid Kids website? I'm guessing you have. Looks similar to CFS (Patrick Valance said LC likely to be a few different maybe overlapping conditions which also echoes what CFS professionals say).

PM me - I'll give you anything helpful in terms of advice I've had over the years. Ask GP to refer to Paediatric CFS services.

Management techniques will be same - and I found it useful in terms of coming to terms emotionally and practically.

Pacing, saving some energy for things she wants to do rather than the to do list. I still get lifts to work on 'amber' days. You get so many points of energy each day - its a bit like weight watchers but less fun.
Remaining stable is quite key I feel - allowing the body to recover and not pushing on.

We don't know how LC will play out - but as a ray of hope: children and teens with CFS do have quite a good rate of recovery (variable periods of time). Much better than middle age women.

Try and keep positive, I know its hard. You have my every sympathy.

KisstheTeapot14 · 08/07/2021 19:24

@Tealightsandd Now there are 2 words this government appears to have chucked out the window....

ThinkAboutItTomorrow · 08/07/2021 19:24

@Creamsoda77

Being vaccinated isnt working as the numbers are going up!
Eh? Only the case numbers, not the numbers of dead.

The link between cases and serious illness looks to be broken. That's the point.

For what it's worth I'll still be wearing a mask, because, why not, but I only go to shops etc. If I was working full time in a mask I might feel differently.

100,000 cases a day by August....bloody hell
Kazzyhoward · 08/07/2021 19:25

@Lua

Some people in this thread seems to think that stopping restrictions due to covid will improve the treatment of other diseases, business, etc. Why is that?

The more peole with covid, the more people with serious infections have to wait, the harder it is for people with serious disease to go see the Gp or hospital.

Also, from what I hear a lot of restaurants and bars a loosing a lot of money because they have to close due to lack of staff....

Careful what you wish for...

I don't think you realise just how much the current restrictions have still be hampering trade/business.

Take a funeral. Because fewer people can attend, that's fewer flowers, loss of business for the cafes/restaurants/pubs that usually do wakes, fewer people using public transport or taxis or their cars as they travel for the funeral, fewer people using hotels when a funeral is a long way from home, etc etc. Then what about the anciliary services used by the taxi firms, hotels, cafes, etc., such as their accountants, book-keepers, solicitor, website designer, etc etc. Not to mention the lack of spending by the business owner, over 3 million of whom have been excluded from the govt covid support and so don't have money to spend on luxuries, maybe not even money to spend on essentials. So you see the knock on effect on limiting funeral attendees goes right through several sectors of the economy. That's a massive loss of tax revenues (VAT, income tax, NIC, corporation tax) and cost to the Govt of unemployment benefits and other state support, etc. That can't go on a single moment longer.

I run a small accountancy practice. In theory we've been "unaffected" as we have been able to trade throughout by working from home, social distancing, etc. In reality, our client numbers (and therefore income/profits) are down by over half, due to the sheer number of our small business clients who've had to close or curtail their activities, meaning less work for us to do for them. We were heavily into small non food shops, B&Bs, freelancers, etc - the types of business most affected by the restrictions.

Kazzyhoward · 08/07/2021 19:28

@Creamsoda77

Being vaccinated isnt working as the numbers are going up!
The statistics show that the majority of the infections are in the younger age groups, i.e. teenagers and 20 somethings - the people who've not been vaccinated at all or who have only recently had their fist jab.
KisstheTeapot14 · 08/07/2021 19:35

@LondonJax I can imagine all too well what your friend was like and is like now.

I was really fit - walking 10 miles + at weekends, dancing 4 hours at a stretch in my 30's...got to the point where I couldn't walk 15 minutes back to where I lived with . Got home in tears, in a taxi. Had to have volunteers to look after my DS (then 3 years old) as I would crash after working during the morning (4 hours) and sleep for hours.

Its deeply shocking and has a huge impact when you have been healthy beforehand.

Seven years and counting here. I suspect I am stuck with it now (the stats aren't great for cases like me) but hopeful for small incremental improvements. I no longer crash out after 1pm. So that's good.

Most people would be alarmed if they know what Long Covid could do to your life. It could turn it upside down.

Youneverknowwhatyourgonnaget · 08/07/2021 19:38

52andblue this sounds like my daughter but she never had Covid just this past year has ruined her. She is not the same happy child been suffering anxiety attacks and now been found to be self harmingSad she can’t s now isolating for the 5th time this school year! Last year we knew pretty quick who was at risk and it seems completely immoral to keep making children suffer in this way to protect the elderly. Children should always come first!

sas1879 · 08/07/2021 19:42

I am very vunerable and due to my complex health issues have been told by my drs not to have any vaccines. What are people like us suppose to do? Very scary and unfair. I cant stay home shielding I have worked all throughout this pandemic had to even change jobs and been very careful yet people like myself are being targeted as anti vaxxers but have been medically told not to take any vaccines. I am very frustrated that I have followed the rules worked very hard and been put in a very unfair postion.

Kazzyhoward · 08/07/2021 19:44

@sas1879

I am very vunerable and due to my complex health issues have been told by my drs not to have any vaccines. What are people like us suppose to do? Very scary and unfair. I cant stay home shielding I have worked all throughout this pandemic had to even change jobs and been very careful yet people like myself are being targeted as anti vaxxers but have been medically told not to take any vaccines. I am very frustrated that I have followed the rules worked very hard and been put in a very unfair postion.
Not being goady, but what's your answer? I don't think there are any winners from all this, and everyone is adversely impacted for one reason or another.
angela99999 · 08/07/2021 19:48

I can only find an old source (June) suggesting that 50 out of 115 deaths from the delta variant at that time were in the double vaccinated group. I've since heard on the news (sorry no detail) that this proportion has risen.
www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/vaccinated-among-delta-deaths-but-older-relatively-few-uk-data-2021-6%3famp

April506 · 08/07/2021 19:50

Killer flu outbreak is to blame for a 42% spike in deaths in January after 64,000 people died - the highest number since records began
Newspaper report 2018

angela99999 · 08/07/2021 19:52

[quote ThinkAboutItTomorrow]@angela99999 do you have a source for that? I know the US analysis that Fauci shared was that 99.2% of June Covid deaths weren't fully vaccinated. It'd be amazing if there's a very different pattern in the UK. [/quote]
Sorry, have replied but forgot to quote you

Tealightsandd · 08/07/2021 20:06

angela99999* do you have a source for that? I know the US analysis that Fauci shared was that 99.2% of June Covid deaths weren't fully vaccinated. It'd be amazing if there's a very different pattern in the UK.

50 out of 115 deaths from the delta variant at that time were in the double vaccinated group. I've since heard on the news (sorry no detail) that this proportion has risen.

This is what makes me wonder. America mostly used mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna). Although a smaller number had Johnson and Johnson. We used a lot of AZ. Is there a link? Potentially we might need to give mRNA boosters to people, particularly the vulnerable, who've had Astrazeneca. When we get more supplies. Supply is tight right now. Of course it might just be a coincidence. And Astrazeneca takes longer to build up protection, so possibly will work very well in the longer term.

Baluchistan95 · 08/07/2021 20:07

@ssd

We're all going to get it eventually it seems
I know. The hilarious thing about this is that there are people out there that actually believe such nonsense!!
gillysSong · 08/07/2021 20:11

We were all going to get it anyway, yet people keep getting the jab, lord above.

Ashleigh404 · 08/07/2021 20:11

This.

Ashleigh404 · 08/07/2021 20:12

@LawnFever

But if those cases lead to fewer hospitalisations and deaths because of the number of people vaccinated then the number of case numbers isn’t as relevant.

I think they should stop reporting the cases, it’s scare mongering.

This
celan · 08/07/2021 20:13

@ssd

We're all going to get it eventually it seems
If, that is, we haven't had it. Or haven't had a vaccine. Or haven't taken our own lives as a result of depression/failure to provide an income for our families for the past 18 months.

I don't give a toss if I get it (I think I must have had it by now, as I have not taken any precautions beyond the normal hand-washing that I would normally do).

I can't believe there are still scaremongering threads about this.

AnTeallach · 08/07/2021 20:13

Several hospitals in Scotland are already at capacity and unable to carry out scheduled operations, etc, due to Covid. That's before any remaining restrictions are lifted.

Long Covid doesn't just leave people with CFS, though that's awful enough. I was really fit and healthy before a mild dose of Covid. I then got LC which - among other things - has left me with fatigue, pneumonia and a heart condition. Expect the NHS to be under massive pressure not only during this third wave, but afterwards too, dealing with LC patients.

Tealightsandd · 08/07/2021 20:13

Right. Gagging and censorship. Next up, disappearing people and re-education camps....

Staffy1 · 08/07/2021 20:15

I read that there are now just under 2 people per 100 being hospitalised, so that would be 2000 people if we say 2 in a 100 of 100000. Is that a coping level for the NHS do we think? Also, read that two thirds of people in hôpital weren’t vaccinated, so that still leaves a third that were, indicating the vaccine isn’t a guarantee that you won’t be badly affected.

Tealightsandd · 08/07/2021 20:16

So sorry @AnTeallach Flowers

I hope all the research currently going on will find new treatments and ways to manage it.

herecomesthsun · 08/07/2021 20:18

We are going into a period of very high case numbers, rising hospitalisations and rising deaths. At the same time we are trying to remove as many mitigations as possible.

It would be extremely stupid to stop reporting case numbers at the point. Are you on glue?

MoreHairyThanScary · 08/07/2021 20:26

Do all those who think that so long as the numbers admitted are low the NHS will be fine, not see the bigger picture.

If cases rise to 100,000 the health care staff are likely to be sick or looking after their own children. I have 1 member of staff off sick atm ( double jabbed and really not feeling well). Staff in care homes removed as they have tested positive ( double jabbed) leaving staffing short.

The NHS is still under massive pressure which with current plans is only going to get worse.

AnTeallach · 08/07/2021 20:40

@Tealightsandd
Thank you. And wishing the best to all the other LC Mumsnetters out there.