100,000 cases a day by August....bloody hell

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We're all going to get it eventually it seems

@snowflake29f so somebody with no immunity or bad immunity due to illness which is apparently is around the 2-3 million mark in the U.K. should just get on with it ?

The mask wearing protects you from giving it to someone else and has a small effect from you wearing it to prevent you from getting it.

All these people should be told well tough you can't go on public transport and you can't go here or there you must distance yourself from society as people think they don't have to wear a mask ?

Let's be honest most are not going to wear one cos it's such an inconvenience.

@CrouchEndTiger12

If we had had several plane crashes in a year leading to 130K deaths we would have grounded all planes.

Every year around 78,000 people in the UK die from smoking.

Add in the alcohol and obesity deaths and you've got similar to covid.

Want to ban cigarettes, alcohol and fatty foods too???

Yes, and look how many people have put on large amounts of weight due to lockdown? Myself included.

@fib88

I’ve been fully vaccinated twice with the Pfizer and then took part in research to see if I’d made antibodies afterwards - Result 0. ..

I feel like a sitting duck now and wish I’d never taken part as it’s left me feeling vulnerable. My question is how many of us like me!!!! All kept quite conveniently!

Antibody tests don't test for immunity from vaccines...unless you've developed a new one?

An expert on 6 o'clock news has just been saying we don't seem to realize some people's life time health will be compromised by long covid. He was saying they will be sick all their lives.

Antibody tests don't test for immunity from vaccines...unless you've developed a new one?

You absolutely can test for antibodies from vaccines. You should probably read up before being rude.

Long Covid seems to disproportionately affect women of mid 20's to mid 40s. Just like CFS/ME.

There has long been speculation amongst scientists that women's immune systems play a part (generally women have pretty robust immune systems thanks to biology. I remember reading that if nature was left alone more girl babies would survive than boys - think this has also been suggested by historical surveys of child mortality/biological sex.) However, it looks possible that this factor can sometimes play against us in terms of developing chronic illness.

CFS specialists within the NHS are saying there are striking similarities.

CFS can go on long term and is frequently linked to infection as a cause.

Before I got CFS in 2014 I had no idea the havoc it could cause.

I have missed more from having this than all lock downs put together. I am only mid 40's but doubtful I will ever have a full time job again and only retained my job due to a very understanding boss and disability laws.

You may want to watch Horizon programme on Youtube for more info on the links.

Horehound. Double vaxxed a month ago. Now a confirmed case. Nothing to worry about????

What's the alternative though? You can't lock down society forever.

But you can keep sensible mitigations such as:

• Masks in public indoor spaces, and on public transport etc
• Social distancing as much as possible
• Crowd control
• Testing twice weekly
• Compulsory testing for travellers in & out of the country

[quote franfranwills]@snowflake29f I think we should open up but actually leave simple things in place like masks.[/quote]
But cases are rising now, with some restrictions and masks etc in place. What is the objective of retaining masks? As far as I can see, opening up but keeping masks might, at best, slow the rise in cases down very slightly but won't impact on overall infection numbers in the longer term.

As I understand it that might actually be detrimental as it will extend the wave into Winter when the usual viruses will hit.

@PrincessNutNuts and that's why those numbers are more important. If we had 100,000 HOSPITALISATIONS then we need to worry, cases don't all equate to hospital admissions, it's just being used to terrify people. I have a vulnerable husband, my best friend died in November from covid so I'm not a head in the clouds optimist, but we need to start learning to live with this virus, it's not going away any time soon.

Every year around 78,000 people in the UK die from smoking.

Big difference is smoking gives a lot of people enjoyment and stress relief, and it's a net contributor to the UK economy.

Covid, on the other hand, is the very opposite of pleasure and stress relief. And it costs the economy dearly.

Also smokers aren't told to exercise personal responsibility to choose to smoke in indoor public spaces. Unlike people who wish to go maskless.

@PrincessNutNuts do you just spend ALL your time on the coronavirus threads, spreading the same old doom and gloom?

I think that the obsession with the number of cases (the access and availability of testing, the number of cycle thresholds whether or not symptomatic), the number of deaths (were they of or with) and admission (regardless of criteria for admission) are symptomatic of a country that has failed to get a grip and is hopelessly flailing

It is ironic that only countries with high infection and death rates have these obsessions and also push vaccination because infection is rampant.

If you lived in a country with good measures where infection was rare would you be queuing to receive an emergency vaccine? If you don't live in a flood zone do you act as if you do? Do you have a hurricane bunker if you don't live in a hurricane zone. Would you listen to people who lived in a hurricane zone in the US telling you in Suffolk it was absolutely necessary?

@cushioncovers

What's the alternative though? You can't lock down society forever.

Absolutely agree.

Like we keep being told, we have to learn to live with the virus. Some of us as keyworkers, have had to work throughout this crisis whatever the outcome, and will continue to do so.😑

@Tealightsandd 😂😂 that's such a good idea I'm gonna walk in to Morrison's and spark up a ciggy wait to be asked what I'm doing and tell them I used my common sense and decided this was the best approach but obviously people can distance themselves socially from me in the shop if they wish as it's my choice.

[quote franfranwills]@snowflake29f so somebody with no immunity or bad immunity due to illness which is apparently is around the 2-3 million mark in the U.K. should just get on with it ?

The mask wearing protects you from giving it to someone else and has a small effect from you wearing it to prevent you from getting it.

All these people should be told well tough you can't go on public transport and you can't go here or there you must distance yourself from society as people think they don't have to wear a mask ?

Let's be honest most are not going to wear one cos it's such an inconvenience.

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I have lupus so don’t preach about immunity to me for years I have had to be careful of what I come into contact with my life is already cut short and I want to live my life .
Those little bits of material don’t protect you from nothing you.
There have been so many scientific experiments done and the media and government won’t publish them because you will all know we have been wrongly informed . But as I have said you have the choice to wear a mask .

Are we still being inundated with UsForThem people or is it something else? Because all the stats and surveys show that the majority of the population prefer a more cautious approach; that they want to keep wearing masks.

But MN is like another world. It's not representative at all and the gung ho attitudes on these threads is completely at odds with MN's demographic and with the general feeling across the UK. It's always the same posters trying to dominate and they do the same on the feminist threads, and any discussion about intersectionality. Very vocal and yet completely detached from RL in the UK. It's very odd. It's tedious but also transparent. I wonder about their motivation. They're not changing anyone's mind. They're just focused on creating a false impression of public opinion and shutting down the genuine views of the public.

@PopcornMuncher

They've quoted inflated figures before so they could definitely be doing it again now

Genuine question: who is 'they'? The gov or scientists? Do you mean inaccurate reporting of numbers? 'Quoting inflated figures' sounds like that, but I haven't read about this before.

The government and scientists. Used out of date projected figures to get November lockdown and did it again to get restrictions extended in June. Which most people don't seem to mind

Unfortunately I think trust in the government and scientists is crucial in a pandemic and because of these lies I no longer believe a word they say

Agreed.

We’ve probably all already had it

@tara66 I really wish it wasn't going to happen, but it will. He is right.

I am 99 % certain its a health catastrophe ready to roll..

People will lose jobs, income, healthy lives, education.

They won't be headline news like people dying.

The government won't care. Boris will be gone, sipping claret somewhere with his feet up.

They will be the hidden casualties.

And there will be hell of a lot of them.

The NHS is poor at dealing with chronic illness (especially where there is little proven treatment apart from managing it). The DWP won't want to know when you come knocking if you are struggling to work or care for your family.

This will be a horrid wake up call for many.

we need to start learning to live with this virus, it's not

You mean Other People need to learn to die or become disabled from it.

As explained by the scientific and medical experts, including but not only those at the WHO, 'living with' a highly contagious disease that kills and disables means including mitigation measures. Like masks.

Those mitigation measures are about taking proactive and preventative action to reduce the risks of creating a more dangerous completely vaccine resistant strain. Already vaccines (particularly AZ) are less effective against the Johnson aka Delta variant.

'Living with' a disease that kills and disables does not mean allowing it to freely spread (letting the bodies pile up) with no mitigation measures whatsoever.

Oh - and yes. Many people will indeed be 'living with' it. Potentially for a very long time. Long Covid disability.

@snowflake29f the media and government won't publish these magic scientific results on masks ? 😂

Did you read that on Facebook?

Maybe they are keeping them hidden with the alien space crafts in bill gates safe.

@Oblomov21

I think it's scaremongering. And even if there are loads of cases, so what. Most are barely ill from it.

Absolutely. It's time to get back to normal level of live as possible, with positive mindset. Worrying about the worst case scenario is just efd.

I think the predictions for 100,000 are correct. Just think what is going to happen to business though. Certain people are going to be terrified to go out/go to work/public transport etc.

I think we are all part of a huge experiment.

[quote franfranwills]@Tealightsandd 😂😂 that's such a good idea I'm gonna walk in to Morrison's and spark up a ciggy wait to be asked what I'm doing and tell them I used my common sense and decided this was the best approach but obviously people can distance themselves socially from me in the shop if they wish as it's my choice.[/quote]

You're exercising personal responsibility. Boris will approve.