100,000 cases a day by August....bloody hell

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We're all going to get it eventually it seems

When someone shows you who they are; believe them.

Maybe this will level off, maybe it won’t.

Nobody knows so it is a gamble.

@everythingthelighttouches

Maybe this will level off, maybe it won’t.

Nobody knows so it is a gamble.

It will level off.

Nobody knows when.

Or how high.

Will there be a dip downwards before the next wave or will it plateau then start building again?

When we get to "a million cases in ten days" sort of unprecedented prevalence we might have a better idea

Doctors and nurses have been vaccinated.What a drama queen.

Yes they have been vaccinating but it’s the isolating which is currently making things such a struggle. So many staff off due to this. Hopefully things will improve in august but the next few weeks will be grim.

@Mulhollandmagoo

Masks in my opinion are a reasonable mitigation measure as is isolating on return from an amber country and if living in a household with someone who has tested positive

I couldn't agree more!!!! Mask wearing has no bearing on the economy really, it's just a pain on the arse to wear one, it's something simple we could do that could have quote a big impact so I'm baffled as to why the government have decided to change this!

This.

Unless the aim is to kill and disable.
It's possibly is. Not to disable (they're burying their heads in the sand about Long Covid) so much as to kill. All the talk about getting the peak done in the summer? That means letting as many as possible die now, so that they're already dead before the next lot start dying in winter.

This will be a defining moment for Johnson, he hasn't the support of Labour, nor of a very large number of people in this country.... if it goers well, it'll be his Churchill moment, if not, a Chamberlain one.

Estimates are, we will have approx 15 to 20k deaths from CV annually.

Personally, i think thats unacceptable.

Doctors and nurses have been vaccinated.What a drama queen.

No not all of them. Particularly in London, where there's a fairly high hesitancy rate amongst NHS staff (and social care).

Even if they are vaccinated, vaccines are not 100%, and their efficacy is lower against the Delta strain. Healthcare workers are at higher risk due to repeated exposure, high viral load.

Vaccines are also not as effective for some of the vulnerable. Like people with blood cancer. They need rely on other people's 'personal responsibility'.

Finally, we don't yet know if vaccines prevent Long Covid. I suspect not, since we're told they don't necessarily prevent mild infections. And many Long Covid cases develop after just a mild initial illness.

I prefer dancing queen btw.

Unless the aim is to kill and disable.
It's possibly is. Not to disable (they're burying their heads in the sand about Long Covid) so much as to kill. All the talk about getting the peak done in the summer? That means letting as many as possible die now, so that they're already dead before the next lot start dying in winter.

This suggests a level of planning that this government have singularly lacked so far, so I think it is unlikely.

I agree @jasjas1973

Unfortunately I suspect quite a lot of the public will be happy to accept that. It's Other People afterall.

Remember this is a country condemned by the United Nations for it's treatment of disabled people. This country has form for killing the vulnerable. George Osborne's failed austerity economics (he left the country in more debt) are responsible for many needless deaths. And the public in the main just shrugged.

People would be forgiven for asking why they shouldn't smoke. They're told not to 'because it shortens your life'. So they don't or give up, so they reach old age...and are told to just 'live with' a disease that kills and disables... Personally I'd rather spark up a fag.

What on earth is up with your obsession with your smoking analogy?! It's a fundamentally flawed analogy from the off - you seem to think we protect people from smoking but not Covid but we don't ban smoking and we in fact do allow people to make their own decisions and take their own risks, but you seem to think it's so clever and powerful that you've repeated it over and over. You're like a child who thinks no one has heard their banal observation so they just say it again, but louder.

The government can't possibly argue against legalising assisted suicide now.

Telling people to just 'live with' a disease that kills and disables? Then they have no justification to not allow the personal responsibility to choose a peaceful and painless death.

Not many masks at Wembley

Doctors and nurses have been vaccinated.What a drama queen.

Think about it. When we are up to 50k cases a day and then 100k cases a day infections will be swilling around in our hospitals and clinics. Vaccinated staff will still be at risk of becoming infected and then having to isolate. There is going to be serious staffing issues. What then? Will Johnson remove the need for infected people to isolate?

It's an excellent analogy.

Smoking is banned on public transport,and inside pubs and restaurants. Smokers aren't allowed the 'personal responsibility' that anti maskers are.

I agree though it's not quite the same thing. Covid kills, disables, and costs the economy dearly. Smoking might shorten lives, but it brings in a net gain to the economy. So yeah. Smoking is good, Covid is bad.

@sadperson16

Not many masks at Wembley

Everyone had to provide proof of being double vaccinated or provide a negative PCR test

The other point about smoking is, that many of today's elderly gave up smoking, despite finding it an enjoyable and/or stress relieving pastime. After being urged to do so, because 'smoking shortens your life'. So they give up, don't die young and instead become one of the elderly. For what? Only to be told, sorry we're not going to protect you against Covid, but that's ok because you're elderly.... Erm, why did they give up smoking...?

@Tealightsandd

The other point about smoking is, that many of today's elderly gave up smoking, despite finding it an enjoyable and/or stress relieving pastime. After being urged to do so, because 'smoking shortens your life'. So they give up, don't die young and instead become one of the elderly. For what? Only to be told, sorry we're not going to protect you against Covid, but that's ok because you're elderly.... Erm, why did they give up smoking...?

Jesus, are you still going on about smoking??

@Tealightsandd

The other point about smoking is, that many of today's elderly gave up smoking, despite finding it an enjoyable and/or stress relieving pastime. After being urged to do so, because 'smoking shortens your life'. So they give up, don't die young and instead become one of the elderly. For what? Only to be told, sorry we're not going to protect you against Covid, but that's ok because you're elderly.... Erm, why did they give up smoking...?

I think this is really clutching at straws. It doesn't really make sense. It's clear that when you're elderly you're at greater risk of certain things. That's just a fact. We can't lock down indefinitely as the harm to the population as a whole is just too great.

If you continually argue that smoking is good @Tealightsandd it’s hard to take anything else you say seriously…

I think 'clutching at straws' is a very polite way of describing that!

@UpSlyDown

If you continually argue that smoking is good *@Tealightsandd* it’s hard to take anything else you say seriously…

Smoking is good and apparently people only gave it up because they were promised immortality in return

@UpSlyDown

If you continually argue that smoking is good *@Tealightsandd* it’s hard to take anything else you say seriously…

Why?

Can you tell me why, in a society where being elderly means 'living with' a disease that kills you, it's bad to smoke?

Tell me, why are people told not to smoke (despite the huge taxes it brings in)? Why is it? Oh, is it because they're told it will 'shorten lives'?... What, like Covid?

Why give up smoking if living longer means dying of Covid?

And also please tell me why anti maskers can exercise 'personal responsibility' on trains and in pubs, but smokers can't?

It's clear that when you're elderly you're at greater risk of certain things

Right. So no point giving up smoking then, is there. If it gives somebody enjoyment and/or stress relief.

Why are you confusing masks with lockdown btw.