Half vaxxed friends getting Delta

[Porridgeislife]

Has anyone had a notable uptick in friends getting Delta over the last week? I’ve now got 4 friends infected - one very sick (full week off work), two a bit under the weather and one only found out due to a PCR for foreign travel.

We are all mid to late 30s so half vaxxed with Pfizer or Moderna. One has a fully vaxxed mother & husband who haven't been infected whilst her unvaccinated young children have. All working from home and have been for 15 months.

I’ve been quite relaxed about Covid and just taking the usual masks, hands, space precautions suggested by the government (given my age) plus got vaccinated as soon as allowed. However throughout it all, I’ve never had so many friends sick at once - it seems Delta is much, much more contagious?

Certainly felt like lockdown to me, given you weren’t allowed to leave the house.

^Residents in those areas must stay at home, apart from limited exemptions set out in law. Non-essential retail, indoor gyms and leisure facilities, and personal care services must close. People must work from home if they can, but may travel to work if this is not possible, for example in the construction and manufacturing sectors. People should not enter or leave tier 4 areas, and tier 4 residents must not stay overnight away from home. Individuals can only meet one person from another household in an outdoor public space.^

It was incredibly loosely enforced.

I had an (essential) journey into central London during the winter 'lockdown'. It was quiet for London. But that's not saying much. Still very very busy. And lots and lots of people ignoring the guidelines.

@Tealightsandd

You need to read posts more carefully.

Never used the phrase ‘only’ the elderly, or disputed younger people being infected.

Just reminded you that there many elderly people who were already dying who also caught Covid. My aunt for one who died in May, and other friends of my parents.

No. You're missing the point.

Nope, it’s not me who’s missing the point. I have never compared flu to Covid. I simply commented on the efficacy of the flu vaccine.

Last week I was thinking I'd not heard of any bubbles closing or positive cases for ages and this week I've heard of 4 positive cases in the community, lots of isolating due to contact etc and a few shut bubbles!

@user1473450164

Everyone I know followed the rules whether you bothered or not.

Christmas was cancelled - my parents didn’t see anyone, we saw no-one outside our nuclear family - nor siblings etc. My friends did the same.

You weren’t supposed to go into other people’s houses. Kew is a garden.

@TatianaBis

No. You're missing the point.

Nope, it’s not me who’s missing the point. I have never compared flu to Covid. I simply commented on the efficacy of the flu vaccine.

The point is, there's an even greater need for high vaccine efficacy when it's a when more contagious, more deadly disease.

I'm sorry for your losses.

The point is, there's an even greater need for high vaccine efficacy when it's a when more contagious, more deadly disease.

Again this misses the point. But I’ve had enough of this discussion.

Amazing how recollections differ. I'm in London and all restaurants, pubs and cafes closed on 16th December. All non essential retail closed a few days after that. We were not allowed to spend Christmas with anyone outside our households/bubbles and plans had to be cancelled. We were certainly in lockdown before
Xmas.

@TatianaBis

The point is, there's an even greater need for high vaccine efficacy when it's a when more contagious, more deadly disease.

Again this misses the point. But I’ve had enough of this discussion.

It's not more deadly, more contagious, yes. I think the vaccines are far more effective that you think they are.

About Kew, yes it's a garden but Xmas at Kew is a whole load of people walking around a set path through the gardens with lots of beautiful Xmas lights. It's not really in keeping with a full lockdown.

[quote Tealightsandd]@TatianaBis

I thought people had given up on that rubbish. The othering narrative of its 'only the elderly' - and apparently only those on their way out. The excess deaths figures tell the real story.

Tens of thousands of people of working age have died in the UK. And no, they weren't all about to die anyway. Even if they were one of The Vulnerable, (millions in the UK), many many people have well managed underlying conditions and participate in society as normal.

And again. It's not just deaths. Potential Long Covid disability means everyone is at risk.

If you want to argue the toss about people doing their jobs during lockdown, which has always been the case, that’s up to you.

Thanks. I'll pass for now.
I'll say it again. London has never been in lockdown. Throughout the pandemic lots of non essential international travellers have arrived at London Heathrow, with most heading straight from the airport onto the busy poorly ventilated public transport.[/quote]
Sayings "tens of thousands" is a little over the top.

Based on the official statistics, 58,000 people in total have died with covid in 2021. Only 1,500 were under 50, i.e. 2.5%. A further 3,000 were aged 50-60, i.e. 5%. So nowhere near "tens of thousands".

Consider the over 50's could have been double jabbed several weeks ago, the majority of those under 60 who died would have been saved by the vaccination anyway, because 4,300 of them died before the end of April, so probably hadn't been jabbed.

The death rate of 50-60 year olds fell to just 1.1% of all deaths in June. And the death rate of uner 50's fell to just 0.8% in June. Thus showing the massive benefit of vaccination for those who are already double jabbed, which will also follow through into July given many more are double jabbed, not to mention all the younger adults who are now getting their first jab.