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Would you take the Tube if ppl go unmasked?

144 replies

MareofBeasttown · 05/07/2021 09:03

Not that I or DS (17) have much of a choice. We live in central London, do not have a car and DS won't be vaccinated till next year.

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Backhills · 05/07/2021 19:15

Yes, if I needed or wanted to go somewhere I would go.

I hope the school (and other) isolations stop soon as mooted too. Obviously people who are actually ill should stay home, but the contacts isolating when almost everyone and certainly the most vulnerable, are vaccinated, is nonsense.

MercyBooth · 05/07/2021 19:26

@MavisMavis There are plenty of threads on here that tell people to wear a mask BECAUSE ITS THE LAW Which makes posts like yours a bit bait and switch.

woodfort · 05/07/2021 19:30

Yes, won’t think twice about it.

I will probably still have mine in my bag when I catch the tube and will wear it if most people are but it’ll be fantastic for it not to be necessary - my toddler hates them and tries to pull mine off constantly.

RoseRedRoseBlue · 05/07/2021 20:25

Yes. Not even remotely concerned. People seem to forget that this time last year, there was no mask mandate.

TerritorialPissings · 05/07/2021 20:30

A billion times yes! Did you not think you could catch something whilst travelling on the tube pre Covid?? You only need look at the seat covers to see how they are likely crawling with all sorts of nasty things (D&V etc etc), yet no one cared before?! I just don’t get it!!

MareofBeasttown · 05/07/2021 21:11

@TerritorialPissings

A billion times yes! Did you not think you could catch something whilst travelling on the tube pre Covid?? You only need look at the seat covers to see how they are likely crawling with all sorts of nasty things (D&V etc etc), yet no one cared before?! I just don’t get it!!
No, actually I did not. Perhaps because we were not in the middle of a pandemic that had killed millions. And Chris Whitty wasn't telling me that I might catch nasty things from seat covers.
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TerritorialPissings · 05/07/2021 21:21

I apologise if you are CEV, but if you are not, then you have always been at risk of catching something. I, too, have children…I know they’d be far more likely be incapacitated from a nasty vomiting bug than they would Covid, but I didn’t put my life on hold / wear a mask just in case…I think a lot of perspective has been lost. Covid is a horrible thing, but not for the vast majority.

Waveafterwaveslowlydrifting · 05/07/2021 21:23

Masks do fuck all to mitigate risk. I can't wait to bin them.

fluffi · 05/07/2021 21:52

Would avoid tube as much as possible, walk some the way if poss and wear a mask. Not just because of covid but because I've had a wake up call about how much risk there is of encountering all sorts of nasty germs on public transport and other crowded spaces!

lurker101 · 05/07/2021 22:01

Yes, it seems a lot of people already aren’t wearing them on the tubes (and I rightly or wrongly expect a lot of them are engaged in more risky/less COVID safe behaviour). I’m fully vaccinated, live in London and low risk so will still get the tube regardless of how others behave

Metacat · 05/07/2021 22:38

I'm with Happy36. I actually feel like some of the "Why wouldn't I?"-style responses show a bit of a lack of empathy. As Mare says, Pandemic + current weight of scientific advice seem like fair enough reasons to acknowledge this perspective. I'm going to be brave and go against the grain (as a relatively new poster, too!) to explain why... I hope I don't get too hectory - if I do, sorry...

The arguments for not retaining the mask mandate in certain contexts, like public transport, do sometimes seem to be a bit disingenuous or straw-mannish. "We can't wear masks for ever"? Well, no one's suggesting we do (er, OK, no one apart from the 2222 typo above!) "You didn't worry about other bugs before"? Nope, as it's fairly widely accepted there was rather less to worry about back then! "I've been vaccinated / am regularly tested etc."? Great, that makes your personal risk and, to a lesser degree, the risk you present to others, very low indeed. But it doesn't remove it entirely.

Because all this thinking in statistical terms ignores the individual lives making up those statistics, and shies away from an unpleasant truth. It's an absolute certainty that, with the lifting of the mask mandate, SOME of us who choose not to wear one simply because it's a bit uncomfortable WILL kill, or change the life of, someone else. We'll probably never know we did, but we will. That's just how this works.

Which leads me to the "We need to get on with our lives!" argument. I totally agree - but in most cases a mask doesn't stop you from doing that. And what it DOES do, is just make it that bit more likely that we'll all STILL be being able to get on with our lives in the future (by reducing the risk of variants), and that other people, equally desperate to live their lives, feel able to get on with theirs, too!

Because I really do feel that it's entirely understandable that some people are still worried or scared. The elderly, the clinically vulnerable, those on the anxiety spectrum, the bereaved who've already seen their life transformed once this year and are terrified of a repeat... They make up a significant proportion of the population, and I don't think we should judge them and I do think, if there's something simple we can do to help them, we should.

So, slipping a bit of fabric over my nose on public transport (and I say this as a teacher who's spent a good portion of them summer so far fully masked in a 35-degree classroom in a far warmer climate than the UK) feels like a small price to pay to let, say, a little 80-year-old feel able to go shopping for herself, or a clinically vulnerable teen to feel able to venture out in the evenings.

Whereas the smallest possibility, HOWEVER remote it may be, of ending someone's life feels like a hell of a price to pay for a bit of extra comfort during a 30-minute train journey.

I know that there's a whole raft of good counter-arguments to this eg. speed limits - would I have them all brought down to 10 in urban areas, then? (FWIW, no, I wouldn't, but I'd really have to think to explain why), so maybe I'll change my mind over time reading replies etc. But for now, that's how I feel - and maybe, that I'll change someone's mind myself!

PS Lengthy post a product of quarantine boredom & consequently too much time to reflect on my journey to said quarantine just yesterday - multiple (unavoidable) long plane and train journeys, and literally hundreds of encounters with maskless faces and exposed noses from all over the place. Above all, though, a quite dramatically noticeable shift on entering the UK, from maybe 1 in 10 without masks elsewhere, to 1 in 10 WITH masks here. It just made me think... Clearly! :)

Attheendofthedaywhenallsaid · 05/07/2021 22:47

YES

beentoldcomputersaysno · 06/07/2021 01:22

@Metacat - agree. It's a tiny thing to help slow spread and not indirectly curtail lots of more vulnerable peoples' activities. Do I like wearing them? No of course not! Masks aren't 100% effective, vaccines aren't, ventilation isn't etc etc but together they all help to have things open up in a more genuinely sustainable way. Just as testing before big numbers of people are mixing indoors. We need to learn to live with covid, but pretending it doesn't exist and doing some small stuff is part of that.

Tealightsandd · 06/07/2021 01:30

@Happy36

As I'm having cancer treatment, I can't be around unmasked people especially in inside or crowded places.

Where I live (not UK), masks are mandatory. If this were to end, I'd have to shield, which would be personally disappointing as I'm currently able to work outside of treatment hours, sometimes do mild exercise, do my own food shopping, and sometimes visit museums or go for walks with friends, all of which make me feel better and help me get stronger.

I know that some people don't want to wear masks anymore, but it seems a small gesture to support the many vulnerable people and also to reduce further strain on the health service (if I can't use public transport, l would need 2-4 ambulances per day, and a nurse to come to my house every day) and paying out sick pay (as I wouldn't be able to work).

Good post.

Nearly 20,000 Londoners are dead. Including hundreds of transport workers.

The tube is an absolute gift to a highly contagious airborne virus. Crowded, poorly ventilated, enclosed space.

Tealightsandd · 06/07/2021 01:32

I hope your cancer treatment goes well.

NiceGerbil · 06/07/2021 01:40

Yes.

There are unmasked people on there now anyway.

It is quiet though.

TBH when it gets crowded again you'll get far more people keeling over when it's back to old rush hour style.

It gets really hot at times and you often feel you can't get enough air anyway. People fainting was not uncommon before all this.

I'm not very risk averse though, either.

NiceGerbil · 06/07/2021 01:44

My DH works for TFL and had 3 colleagues die.

I'm not sure that it's ok to suggest I dunno. If it's not personal. That argument is. Right?

Plenty of TFL employees will be happy to be free of masks, that implies they are. Really bad people I suppose.

Happy36 · 06/07/2021 08:27

Thanks, Tealightsandd .

MavisMavis · 06/07/2021 12:01

[quote MercyBooth]@MavisMavis There are plenty of threads on here that tell people to wear a mask BECAUSE ITS THE LAW Which makes posts like yours a bit bait and switch.[/quote]
I don't wear a mask because it's law. I wear a mask to protect others and myself, which is why I will continue to do so.

GreenWheat · 06/07/2021 13:16

Yes, I will happily take the tube and will not be wearing a mask as soon as that is allowed.

IceandIndigo · 06/07/2021 15:02

Yes, it's my only practical option to get to work. TBH I am a lot more bothered about the lack of social distancing on the tube than I am about masks. At the moment the tube is still a lot quieter than usual but that's surely going to change from 19 July when people stop WFH.

bluepacific · 06/07/2021 21:20

I've been using the tube to go for walks and leisure activities since June last year. I've never been anxious about using it during the pandemic as I'm young and healthy enough to be at low risk, especially as I'm double vaccinated (and so is everyone in my family). I live in zone 1 and don't drive, so I depend on the tube a lot (although not for work - it's mostly for fun activities, usually at off-peak times). I've been wearing masks on the tube since it was legally required but I only ever wore them because it was the law (and they were thin ones which weren't tight-fitting, just to meet the legal requirements), and I will stop wearing them once it's legally allowed.

sourcreamnchives · 06/07/2021 21:29

Yes! Ffs

StaffRepFeistyClub · 06/07/2021 21:40

Yes I will wear mask on tube when it is crowded and certainly use hand gel or wash hands as soon as out of tube station - grim dirty places - all those grubby handrails

Attheendofthedaywhenallsaid · 06/07/2021 22:06

Reality is we are all responsible for our own health, you cannot expect others to change their routine for your health. Thousands of people undergo treatment for cancer and are in a position where they must adapt their routine to protect themselves as best they can.

It is also not natural long term to avoid picking up viruses, especially for children.

Where does it end, those who are obese may ask others to wear masks to protect them, what happened to taking responsibility for your own health?