Thoughts on the non-vaccinated!

[UnluckyMe]

Why have people been so critical of those who have chosen not to be vaccinated against covid 19?

I've read all sorts of comments about those, like me, who chose not to be vaccinated calling us selfish, uneducated and so on. There seems to be a massive lack of respect for what others choose to do with their body and I'm just curious as go why people feel the need to make comments about it. There are obviously many who don't and I do acknowledge that, my post is more directed to thoughts on why the other side do (feels very playground bully like to me).

The way I see it is everyone has a choice - respect that choice and move on with life rather than throwing insults at one another or dwell on something out of your own control.

I'd also like to confirm i do not own tin foil hat, expect the end of days soon or believe everyone will drop dead in 6 months / will transform into magneto from X-Men (all those coins sticking to people's arms!)

I have followed the rules down to a tee but have just chosen not to be vaccinated at present. Maybe I will change my mind, maybe I won't 🤷‍♀️ who knows.

I am genuinely curious - I read on another post "all vulnerable and sensible people have had the jab" as a comment which riled me a bit too! I like to think I'm pretty sensible but clearly this Mumsnetter thinks otherwise 😆😆

We I don’t want it, yet. I want it eventually.
I have massive health anxiety and I just can’t get over the last hurdle in my mind to make me get it.

That, and the fact we’re trying for a baby for 7 months with no luck, I’m really reluctant to put anything like this into my body with the reports of changes to me menstrual cycles too. It may not have any effect, or much effect but ‘may not’ isn’t a risk I want to take at the moment.

I just need time to process my thoughts, and I also need people (my family) to stop badgering me because it’s just putting me off more being hounded to get it (anyone with anxiety will probably understand that the pressure from other people doesn’t help at all)

Because the more who are not vaccinated the more it will continue to mutate and the more likely the disease will continue to thrive and eventually undermine the vaccine. If that were not a risk I wouldn't care one bit but I want to see the disease end not mutate.

If it being in clinical trials is a problem, then don't take paracetamol! It has been in clinic trials for years.

I think this is a good analogy: getting vaccinated is "your body, your choice", in the same way that having a daily shower/bath is.

Most people agree that a daily wash is a good idea. It's good for you (your hair is clean and you had a nice relax in the process!) and good for others (they don't have to sit next to someone stinky on the train to work). There are some risks to a daily shower (what if you slip and break a leg?) but in general most people agree it's the way to go. No one can make you take a shower if you have mental capacity, that would be bizarre and probably criminal, but it's pretty darn inconsiderate not to. Once people notice you're not showering, friends and family may well have a word to try and persuade you. After a while of not showering you might even find yourself turned away from fun activities, your friends might not want to see you and your job may be at risk.

So yes, it is a personal choice, but it affects way more people than just you. That's why people think it is selfish not to get vaccinated.

@Mandalay246

It is up to everyone to make up their own mind about the vaccine, but I'm another who believes it is selfish not to have it. There are many who simply can't have it for various reasons, and they are usually the most vulnerable. Enough others need to have the vaccine to protect them, and I have little time for those who refuse vaccines for themselves or their children but rely on others having vaccines to protect them.

This.

I considered quite carefully before I had mine. The risk of long term and unknown reactions to the jab vs covid. I'm in a borderline age group at 45.

I've never been worried about covid and it was in my household over Xmas although tests and an antibody test suggest I didn't catch it then. In the end I decided to have it because of my age, because I have a vulnerable family member and because of the overall benefit to society. But that was my choice and I do think everyone should have the right to chose when it is a new medication with unknown long term effects.

@GiantWingedWaspMoth

If it being in clinical trials is a problem, then don't take paracetamol! It has been in clinic trials for years.

exactly been in trials for years , which none of the covid vaccines have , if they had the blood clot problem with astra zeneca would have been spotted and people that have had az might still be alive today

I've had my vaccine, but I'm fully supportive of the right to choose and won't be vaccinating 8yo DS should one become available to children his age. I don't care what anyone else chooses to do.

I don't really get how unvaccinated are putting others at risk either, if you've had your vaccine then you're well protected.

@bellasmella I know you can't see it yet but soon you may realise that you have been sucked into a cult. You will come out of it one day but until then try and think about things critically, open minded and not just believe other people who say similar words. The same goes for people on the other side too but have a think about who believes the same as you and wonder if they have the skills to genuinely know who is telling the truth.

It's not the decision not to get vaccinated that gets me.

It's the refusal to acknowledge that you are benefitting from others taking a risk that you are refusing to take, and then looking for a pat on the back for 'going with your gut'.

As for the comparisons with Rwanda, just WTAF?!

if they had the blood clot problem with astra zeneca would have been spotted and people that have had az might still be alive today

Recent research suggests that it may well not be the vaccine itself to blame. It might be that, for whatever reason, the vaccinators are being told not to aspirate prior to injecting (as they are doing in China) - and so in a small number of cases the vaccine is being injected directly into the blood, rather than into the muscle, causing this reaction. It's a very easy fix, if that's the case.

I mean, getting a covid vaccine doesn't make you morally superior to those who don't. Except in your own head

It really really does.

I won't have the vaccine for the same reason I have never had the flu jab - because there are concerns that vaccinnating the healthy could be counter productive and encourage more dangerous variants and a weaker immune response o variants than natural immunity. I know people will say no the vacinne gives a better immune response but ask yourself how can pharma companies possibly know this? What studies have been carried out? There are numerous studies into the body's immune response following natural exposure to flu type viruses which suggest the opposite. Scientific opinion is much more split on this than the media are portraying. Have deaths from flu gone down in recent years as he flu jab becomes more prevalent - not at all. Why would I trust big pharmaceutical companies. They fund their own research and pay billions lobbying governments.

It's also a risk to your body. Some people have died from side affects. Not many, but still a few. I wouldn't fancy being that low statistic, who died from blood clots. Your body = your choice. I'm not having it either.

@UnluckyMe

Doesn’t apply to people contraindicated but the below.

Selfish. Ignorant. Forgetting the diseases that vaccinations have removed. Many spread utter BS. Like not tested etc. MRNA technology been used for a decade and the other tech for longer. It’s just like the change of flu vaccine every year. Show lack of understanding of side effects as it relates to public health.

So the best that one can say if not contraindicated is they have been lead astray and fallen like fools for nonsense.

Your body your choice, don’t tell ppl if you don’t want to feel bullied. I feel like ppl who choose not to do things like vaccinations have this desire to let everyone know then get offended when ppl are not happy about it.

Personally I think we’re lucky to live in a country where vaccinations are free, we had the best vaccination program in the world etc.

But if you don’t want it then you don’t. But stop smugly telling everyone then being but hurt when you get told a negative opinion.

At this point, I don't care.
I've been vaccinated,so has DH and DD will be in a few months time.

We're exercising, we're taking a decent vitamin regime, eating a good quality diet, following the rules, and being careful with our hygiene. We're doing all we can to protect ourselves.

I'm interested in your views and why you're not having it, I'm glad you're following the rules, and I'm really glad you're not telling everyone that the jab they've had will kill them, like so many who have chosen to not have the jab.

I hope you manage to keep safe, but it is your body, and ultimately your choice.

Apologies as I've just skim read the responses yesterday.
I was listening to a radio talk-in yesterday and one of the justifications the caller used for not ending full lockdown was the impact on vaccine refusers.

It's ridiculous, if someone refuses the vaccine then they should be required to sign a piece of paper saying they acknowledge the risks and it's their own personal responsibility if they contract covid. I do believe they should still have access to medical treatment grudgingly.

@ElephantMoth

Well I am ECV and sensible and not had the vaccine, no medical professional can inform me of the long term side effects from taking this vaccine, therefore they have not my informed consent to inject me.

I have been called all sorts from declining it by my family until recently when they finally seen what I was telling them for this past year.

The problem is you do know what’s likely if you catch covid, it’s not pretty. Even if you have had it you don’t know how your body will react to new strains. Luckily others are stepping up to mean the chance of transmission is less for you.

I have been vaccinated-AZ-have had COVID before that and have managed a COVID outbreak and worked on a COVID specific unit.
My opinion is that people who can be vaccinated should be vaccinated both for individual reasons and the greater good. BUT it is personal choice and I respect that. However, it would be easier for many people to accept why some wish to refuse if it was an informed choice-rather than based on Facebook theories (if one more person tells me that COVID is due to 5G masts 🙄).

I am still following the same precautions I have taken since the start, I am not ready to "demask" yet and will be choosing to continue this for a while yet. My main concern is that viral mutations are inevitable and reducing the number of infections reduces the chance the virus has to mutate. Hopefully this will avoid a vaccine resistant strain emerging. I would also like life to go back to normal for my children who I feel have missed out on so much in the past 18 months.

In answer to your question OP-I respect your right to make a choice-but for your own sake, I hope this is based on a review of legitimate resources and evidence, rather than rumours and conspiracy theorists.

I must admit it riles me when people say COVID is fake/vaccines are microchips/due to 5g masts/whatever the latest is.

I think you are ill informed and selfishly benefiting from the sacrifices of others. You think you are some sort of amazing researcher. Sadly, you’re deluded 🙄