ONS report - majority of parents would vaccinate their children

[Dustyboots]

Would you?

They're gunning for this now. I find that worrying.

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I wouldn’t vaccinate my children, no. Not right now when the advice is not clear on if this is safe or not for them.

Yes, one of mine is CEV.

Currently the myocarditis is treatable
Whereas they have no * clue ablut LC who knows if there will ever be treatment.
Herd immunity by vax would keep schools open.
This little island is overpopulated so the natural r is here is very high. Also lots of international travel.
I dont trust gov.
The covid risks re myocarditis are higher. But then you have misc too which can cause heart issues.

I think it was someone from JCVI on radio 4 - bascially they have trial data for 12+ but they're waiting and seeing what counties vaccining this age group pick up - like blood clots being picked up only during the mass vaccination and not the trials.

In meantime they want focus on getting through and double vaccinating the adult population as they are higher risk.

They did mention edcuation and vaccination being a positive if it kept access up it didn't come across as they'd decided no yet.

Also said there's no trial data for under 12 yet - only china has done as young as 3 but it's a vaccine we don't use so no likelyhood of primary school kids being vaccinated for at least another 12 + months.

So I'm with MarshaBradyo it will be very interesting to see what they decide to do with 12-18 year olds.

@allthingsred

Nope. Vaccine does not prevent spread it helps keep the person receiving it a little safer. Children have always been said to not get serious covid symptom so why would I give them a jab that is so very new. Once they turn 18 in a few years & even more is known about side effects etc then I will fully support whatever they decide to do.

These are my exact thoughts

Why does it worry you, nobody will be forcing you to have your kids done?!

Well technically no one is forcing adults to have it but look at people’s reactions to and treatment of people who have decided not to. Do you really think children won’t be treated the same way and will feel pressured into having it? I think you’re quite naive if you don’t think that will be the case.

No I won’t be having my 4dc vaccinated.

@allthingsred

Nope. Vaccine does not prevent spread it helps keep the person receiving it a little safer. Children have always been said to not get serious covid symptom so why would I give them a jab that is so very new. Once they turn 18 in a few years & even more is known about side effects etc then I will fully support whatever they decide to do.

This is not true though. There are many articles that says otherwise, the vaccine actually reduce transmission. These are some of them.

www.gov.uk/government/news/one-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine-can-cut-household-transmission-by-up-to-half

www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/yes-vaccines-block-most-transmission-of-covid-19

@bumbleymummy

Why does it worry you, nobody will be forcing you to have your kids done?!

Well technically no one is forcing adults to have it but look at people’s reactions to and treatment of people who have decided not to. Do you really think children won’t be treated the same way and will feel pressured into having it? I think you’re quite naive if you don’t think that will be the case.

Well, I’m sure if you feel that strongly about it, you won’t be too bothered what other people think.

I don’t want my kids to not have the chance to be jabbed, just because it might make other people feel bad.

Fingers crossed the 12-17 vaccines are on their way here, ASAP.

Yes, of course I bloody will.

I thought that Liz Truss said that it's unlikely to be offered to 12-16 year olds

And if other countries go down the same line as Malta, which I read earlier, those 12-17y won't be travelling very far.

Malta have said all adults and people aged 12y must be fully vaccinated.
Under 5y can travel with vaccinated adults.
5-12y can travel with vaccinated adults but also need a negative Covid test.

So where does that leave 12-17y children?
And if more countries adopt the same scenario?

Vaccine does not prevent spread it helps keep the person receiving it a little safer.

This is not true.

Studies have shown time abd time again that the vaccines reduce the risk of catching Covid and they reduce the risk of transmitting Covid. By at least 50% and this number increases each time new studies are reported.

Liz Truss is a fucking fool. I am sick of the JVCI and their platitudes. Hopefully paying privately will eventually become an option if the govt doesn't get off its arse with vaccinating 12-17 year olds as they are doing in other countries. I appreciate this could take years, and yes, I expect will will be going nowhere as usual in the meantime.

Yes, without hesitation. Vaccines work.

Yes, and it sounds like the majority are in favour. There are some persistent loud voices on here who have a minority view, but most of us want the situation with school isolations to end ASAP, plus there's the issue of unvaccinated children cooking up new vaccine-resistant strains every year.

Can anyone explain how vaccinating the 12-18 year olds will stop school isolations.

Given that we know the vaccine doesn't stop you catching or spreading Covid. It only stops you from becoming seriously unwell.

In answer to the op I am unsure and want more information.

I think this is about cost. Children don’t count in the eyes of this government.

@Januaryissodull

Can anyone explain how vaccinating the 12-18 year olds will stop school isolations.

Given that we know the vaccine doesn't stop you catching or spreading Covid. It only stops you from becoming seriously unwell.

In answer to the op I am unsure and want more information.

this has to be one of the most permeating myths on MN about coronavirus - I think it's already been said (and corrected) twice on this thread already

Vaccination both reduces your chances of becoming infected by coronavirus and transmitting it @Januaryissodull, there's a fair bit of data now that shows this from multiple countries. That's why vaccination of children would reduce spread in schools and the wider community.

Seriously I don't believe it for a second. There is no way I would vaccinate my kids. How could I possibly inflict it on them without knowing the long term side effects. There is no way I would do this. My line in the sand and the hill I would die on.

@loulouljh

Seriously I don't believe it for a second. There is no way I would vaccinate my kids. How could I possibly inflict it on them without knowing the long term side effects. There is no way I would do this. My line in the sand and the hill I would die on.

you don't believe what @loulouljh?

Believe that most people will have their kids vaccinated. I know a few people but certainly not the majority.

Can anyone explain how vaccinating the 12-18 year olds will stop school isolations.

I think because vaccinated people are much less likely to pass on, the incidence rate will be much lower, therefore making it less likely that the small number of people who can't be vaccinated and are vulnerable will be exposed. And, as vaccinated people tend to be very mild or asymptomatic, we need not be concerned about the vast majority having symptoms, so why would there be a need to isolate?

I thought it came down to benefit for the group being vaccinated

So it can’t just be for others but JCVI will decide on data. I assume that will include LC and other v whatever risk of vaccine.

Fine with them deciding and if it’s offered for people to decline or take their dc

No

No they won’t. I teach in a huge secondary. Not that many kids have had it.

I'm sure many have had it mildly or asymptomatically @ArseInTheCoOpWindow - that's why kids don't need vaccinating.

and if so many kids in your huge secondary haven't had it - after Covid has been circulating so voraciously - they're obviously not so susceptible - so once again, don't need vaccinating. The risks of these vaccines outweighs the risks of catching or getting ill with Covid.