ONS report - majority of parents would vaccinate their children

[Dustyboots]

Would you?

They're gunning for this now. I find that worrying.

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Yes, DD will have the vaccine as soon as it's available.

@Katieandthekids

I am really not sure... my babies are only 20 months old (twins) so can't decide themselves but I would certainly be worried and very very upset if someone forced me into doing it

You shouldn't worry, because they haven't started vaccinating under 18, it will be a long way until very young children will be offered vaccine, and there will be more data. And no one will force you to vaccinate your children, same as other childhood vaccines.

Strange I don't know anyone who has said they would vaccinate their kids. Everyone I know is in the no camp

very very upset if someone forced me into doing it

I would imagine the chances of you being forced into it are around 0%.

@Howshouldibehave

very very upset if someone forced me into doing it

I would imagine the chances of you being forced into it are around 0%.

That's why these anti- vax threads are so dangerous. It just cause people to get worried and scared unnecessarily. Although I assume that's the very reason and aim for this kind of posts.

Yes but 'forced' doesn't mean with a gun to our head... Coercive control (which we're seeing with adults now) is very much happening.
I used the link in the text they sent me to say I wasn't having the vaccine and I have still received 5 texts since, weekly. Plus had several letters by post.
People being told they won't be able to travel / see friends / go to gigs, events etc. Celebrities telling people to 'do their bit', people being considered selfish and stupid for not getting it.
This is force.

@Thegentleman

Absolutly no chance for me, and would home school if became mandatory for school already spoke in depth about it.

Nobody fully knows but I stongly suspect the benefit vs risk for children will not be worth it.
I struggle to get my head round that the average age of death caused from covid is 80+ Yet it is increasingly looking like governments all over the world will eventually want to vaccinate 12 to 18 yr old then just slowly lower the age more and more over time so even little toddlers will be jabbed if people let them. This could be followed by booster after booster.
The UK government is acting like it is not sure if to vaccinate children or not and they are doing more researching etc. It is blatantly obvious they intend to roll out jabs to children.
The vaccine most likely to be used will be the mRNA tech that has not been widely used in people never mind children.
You can never be too safe with children. It might be ok long term but what will happen if not? and serious problems manifest in 5 + years time, and most of the young in the world have been vaccinated it would be too late then.
All the MPs and experts will just throw the pandemic card and say they acted the best they could in an emergency situation, despite many of them becoming very wealthy.
As a parent I would not put that on my child, when they are at an age of consent it would be upto them.
Ultimately its upto each parent/guardian and nobody should judge either way for their choice

Fingers crossed that you are right and that there is a coherent plan to offer vaccinations to children rather than experimenting with massive infection with covid in the hope of herd immunity that way.

@Barbie222

now we've vaccinated the elderly and vulnerable we'll be fine to let everyone else crack on, essentially.

That's what we tried before, and now we've had 2 variants which have reduced vaccine efficiency? "Letting everyone else crack on" is the line being sold here - it's code for "we would rather kick the can a bit more and let someone else deal with it later." All the way through this, our leaders have been slow to act, and here we go again.

What do you think the alternative is? There will always be new variants and no vaccine will ever be effective against them all.

@Schrutesbeets

Yes but 'forced' doesn't mean with a gun to our head... Coercive control (which we're seeing with adults now) is very much happening. I used the link in the text they sent me to say I wasn't having the vaccine and I have still received 5 texts since, weekly. Plus had several letters by post. People being told they won't be able to travel / see friends / go to gigs, events etc. Celebrities telling people to 'do their bit', people being considered selfish and stupid for not getting it. This is force.

Yep. And you can imagine the pressure if it gets introduced for children too. Parents deciding that their little Jonny can’t hang out with anyone who isn’t vaccinated etc.

What do you think the alternative is? There will always be new variants and no vaccine will ever be effective against them all.

Indeed, but best to vaccinate anyone that wants to be vaccinated. Hopefully that will be the plan-my teenagers are very keen to be done.

At 5 and 7 I wouldn’t want to no

What do you think the alternative is? There will always be new variants and no vaccine will ever be effective against them all.

@bumbleymummy having a vaccinated population reduces the spread of new variants, even if the current immunity people have is less effective against new strains

keeping this baseline rate of immunity by using booster vaccines will be a key part in maintaining population-level protection

@speckledostrichegg

What do you think the alternative is? There will always be new variants and no vaccine will ever be effective against them all.

@bumbleymummy having a vaccinated population reduces the spread of new variants, even if the current immunity people have is less effective against new strains

keeping this baseline rate of immunity by using booster vaccines will be a key part in maintaining population-level protection

Yes, yes, the vaccine reduces spread, blah blah. The delta variant (and future variants) clearly can and will still spread through the vaccinated population. At some point we need to just ‘crack on’ because we can’t keep restrictions forever and the benefits do not outweigh the risks.

At some point we need to just ‘crack on’

Yep-pretty sure that’s the plan.

However I, and loads of others, want the option to get our teens vaccinated as part of it. Fingers crossed it will be soon.

Yes, yes, the vaccine reduces spread, blah blah. The delta variant (and future variants) clearly can and will still spread through the vaccinated population. At some point we need to just ‘crack on’ because we can’t keep restrictions forever and the benefits do not outweigh the risks.

uhuh, which is why vaccination of the general population is integral to "cracking on". Never said anything about restrictions needing to kept forever - vaccination is what will allow them to be lifted whilst minimising further risk.

@speckledostrichegg you replied to my post to another poster who was objecting to the idea of ‘cracking on’ and I asked her what the alternative was. Do you just scroll through comments looking for any reason to push the vaccine?

‘Minimising further risk’ is what the JCVI are looking at with the data.

It will either be a recommendation to vaccinate over 12 or not, but they will be considering international data first.

Then if it is a yes we still get to decide. I’m not worried as others are about pressure.

[quote bumbleymummy]@speckledostrichegg you replied to my post to another poster who was objecting to the idea of ‘cracking on’ and I asked her what the alternative was. Do you just scroll through comments looking for any reason to push the vaccine? [/quote]
If you actually read my posts (which I don't think you do), you'll see I don't "push the vaccine"

I think it's important people make are able to make an informed decision about having or not having it, and that includes not being confused by all the false information & myths surrounding it which seem so persistent on MN

I replied to your comment about new variants spreading through vaccinated populations to clarify it - it implies a binary scenario where vaccines aren't effective against new variants

I think it's important people make are able to make an informed decision about having or not having it.

I agree. That’s why I think it’s worth pointing out that variants can (And clearly do) still spread in a highly vaccinated population.

To be clear, I’m not saying we shouldn’t vaccinate but trying to pressure people into doing so by telling them that they need to do this or new variants will keep arising and spreading is wrong IMO. New variants will continue to arise and spread, whether young people decide to be vaccinated or not.

Not a hope in hell.

bumbleymummy, tbh, you sounds like you are desperate to discourage as many people as possible from getting vaccinated. Your motive sounds very insincere.
We all have the data if we want to know. We don't need to be told of risks repeatedly because we all know.
It's a great news that majority wants to get vaccinated. Like all those anti-vaxxers say, if the vaccine is so dangerous that we all die from it, we would know soon enough, the majority of the world population would be gone in few years, and all those left are the small number of people who chose not to get vaccinated.

you sounds like you are desperate to discourage as many people as possible from getting vaccinated.

I’m not trying to discourage anyone. I just don’t agree with coercion and manipulation and I think there is a lot of that going on, on MN and in RL.

I’m not trying to discourage anyone. I just don’t agree with coercion and manipulation and I think there is a lot of that going on, on MN and in RL.

There really is. And people always answer with “well, I haven’t seen any!” I have. My 18 year old decided he didn’t want to have the vaccine. I had to make a complaint to his college after his tutor told him that he would be responsible if his grandparents died. We got a written apology.

For what it’s worth, his only living grandparent is 90. And has never, ever wanted young people to be made to do anything to “save” him.

@Dustyboots

bascially they have trial data for 12+ but they're waiting and seeing what counties vaccining this age group pick up - like blood clots being picked up only during the mass vaccination and not the trials.

How dreadful for kids being experimented on in these countries.

To get the licensed in UK pharmaceutical companies had to hold trials with childlren in 12-18 age range. The teens and their parents will have had a variety of reasons to take part and would have been fully briefed.

It's why there isn't going to be a vaccine for under 12 any time soon in UK as there hasn't been any been trials with the vaccines UK uses done with chidren this young.

When you vaccinate a wider population and in greater numbers than in trials additional usually rarer problems can be spotted - it's why many countries with low covid rates earlier in year said they were waiting and watch what happened in counrties like UK who due to high covid rates were rolling out mass vaccination programs.

Essentailly we now doing same with 12-18 group - waiting on more data fro other countries. We can do this because our adult vaccination program has gone really well with little vaccine hesitacy - in Wales 75% of adults under 50 have been vaccinated already with one dose. By mid August 70% of the entire population of UK will be double vaccinated.

The risk benefit in UK for 12-18 is clearly finely balanced and the group looking at it wants more data - as a parent I want them to have all the data they need to make the best decsion for my children and their peers.

If I was in another part of the world - like a red state in US with high covid levels and low vaccine uptake the risk/benefit calculation is going to be differnet and tehre are cleare rbenefits to vaccination. The US is one of the places that vacciante 12-18 years olds and one of the places we are waiting data from.

I'm unclear who you think is "being experimeneted on " - these countries have taken decsions based on their situations as have the children and parents in those counrties. If data from them helps the JMCI clarify the risk benefit to UK chidren I really can't see why this is a bad thing.

bumbleymummy, data is clear even with delta variant that the vaccine reduces transmission. I don't agree with mandatory vaccination, and I'm sure it won't happen here in UK.
You say that people are coerced, but the decision ultimately have to come from each person.
And those people should be making their own choice from facts, not from rumors and misinformation. People against vaccine keep going on about death rates. But that's not only thing we should worry about. If the data on ZOE is correct, 4.8% of middle aged people who caught covid is left with long covid that disable them to carry on with normal life after 12 weeks. That's not a small number. Even with young person 20 yeras of age, it's 1.2%, more than 1 in 100 are left with long term issues. They need to know these facts too, not just the death rates.