ONS report - majority of parents would vaccinate their children

[Dustyboots]

Would you?

They're gunning for this now. I find that worrying.

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@ZZTopGuitarSolo

That kind of overlooks the fact that many young people have already had the virus do they’re already immune. The last ons survey showed that ~90% of over 16s have antibodies from either natural infection or vaccination. I think there should be some attempt to assess antibody levels in under 16s before giving them a vaccine that they may not even need.

That is silly re vax period issues - there are threads about period issues after covid too so why worry about one not the other.

We need to be given the choice like other countries. As absolute minimum to pay for a vax.
Any kid who has had a positive pcr should not be prioritised to start with. (Unless of course they had it badly/long term issues)

[quote bumbleymummy]@ZZTopGuitarSolo

That kind of overlooks the fact that many young people have already had the virus do they’re already immune. The last ons survey showed that ~90% of over 16s have antibodies from either natural infection or vaccination. I think there should be some attempt to assess antibody levels in under 16s before giving them a vaccine that they may not even need.[/quote]
The ONS already breaks out the data by age group. Below 50% for under 18s.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveyantibodyandvaccinationdatafortheuk/9june2021

The ONS survey only looks at antibodies in over 16s.

“ The analysis on antibodies in this article is based on blood test results taken from a randomly selected subsample of individuals aged 16 years and over, which are used to test for antibodies against SARS-CoV-2.”

Still, ~50% antibodies in a non-vaccinated population is pretty good.

Still, ~50% antibodies in a non-vaccinated population is pretty good.

But as you can see from the chart I posted from the ONS survey, 16-18 year olds aren't even anywhere near 50%. Even if they were, that's nowhere near herd immunity levels.

@Roonerspismed

Actually I’m not just worried for my kids. I’m worried about all children on a societal level. My kids friends.

I don’t believe we should be vaccinating these young and healthy children when we know that some will suffer severe problems as a result or even die. And we still don’t know the long term effects - if any - if these new style vaccines. We had, for example, no idea they would cause menstrual issues and we don’t know how long that takes to clear up. Not such an issue in an older person (to some) but devastating to a young teen.

Don't worry about other people's children, just worry about yours. Like you have choice to not to vaccinate yours, other people should have choice to vaccinate their children. Some people think the adverse effects of vaccine is worse. Some think unknown effect of covid is worse than the risk of vaccine.

I have no problem with choice rogue if it’s fully informed. And I have doubts it will be. A bit like the AZ clotting issue. Or the myocarditis. Even the so called “experts” can’t agree on vaccinations for kids. This stuff keeps me awake at night. I don’t trust most of these experts to do the right thing foe these children and parents, rightly, trust them. I believe that trust is misguided.

I'm sure they would be planning on vaccinating kids soon if it weren't for anti-vaxxers, tbh. If you look at the data, it's clear that even myocarditis associated with vaccine is rare enough and treatable, while the effects of covid is unknown.
Don't vaccinate your children, then there isn't worry for you. It's truly patronizing just because you don't trust experts, you say we are all misguided, and you feel you are right, and those who want the vaccine for children are making wrong choice.

One case of myocarditis in a non vulnerable child is one too many. “First do not harm” - doctors would do well to remind themselves of this.

I worry for society. That may irritate you but thats my fear. I hope I’m wrong but the longer the shit show if vaccinating healthy people goes on, the more I worry. I’m delighted older people have a vaccine BTW

Here in the US there are very few 'experts' suggesting that over-12s do not get the vaccine - the vast majority say they should get it.

For me the experts I listened to when making the decision included the federal CDC, the Maine state CDC, the FDA, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, the American Heart Association, the American Medical Association, the American Nurses Association, Johns Hopkins All Children's Hospital, the American College of Cardiology, the National Association of Pediatric Nurse Practitioners and my children's GP.

I also talked in person with a friend who used to be head of the Maine CDC and is now chief health improvement officer for Maine's largest health network.

Many of my children's friend's parents are also doctors, and all of them got the vaccine as soon as they were old enough.

One case of myocarditis in a non vulnerable child is one too many. “First do not harm” - doctors would do well to remind themselves of this.

Oh I agree - children should not suffer myocarditis caused by anything preventable.

The risk of myocarditis in healthy children is much higher as a result of Covid than it is as a result of vaccination.

@Roonerspismed

One case of myocarditis in a non vulnerable child is one too many. “First do not harm” - doctors would do well to remind themselves of this.

I worry for society. That may irritate you but thats my fear. I hope I’m wrong but the longer the shit show if vaccinating healthy people goes on, the more I worry. I’m delighted older people have a vaccine BTW

All vaccines have side effects - there will always be cases of something. Saying "one case is too many" would be banning all existing vaccines by your standards, and by their nature they are given to healthy people to prevent disease and it's spread.

It's whether the risks of COVID (including long COVID related complications) are considered more dangerous, on a population level of children, than the risk of myocarditis. This is what the JCVI are evaluating.

@Roonerspismed

One case of myocarditis in a non vulnerable child is one too many. “First do not harm” - doctors would do well to remind themselves of this.

I worry for society. That may irritate you but thats my fear. I hope I’m wrong but the longer the shit show if vaccinating healthy people goes on, the more I worry. I’m delighted older people have a vaccine BTW

I assume you never give a child paracetamol then given the possible side effects of that?

I assume you never give a child paracetamol then given the possible side effects of that?

Im sure when paracetamol was first introduced Into society parents were equally apprehensive initially, we have decades of Data behind paracetamol that shows pretty well what any short and long term side effects are. We do not have this for the vaccines. And yes I am double vaccinated, with AZ , it was deemed not suitable for my age group after I had my 1st dose so forgive me for airing on the cautious side initially where my dc are concerned.

Well funnily enough, they are now linking Paracetomol use in pregnancy to ADHD in children.

I generally avoid all medicines unless absolutely necessary. So if an antibiotic is required for a chest infection I would. But no, I don’t routinely use calpol with my kids. Very occasionally when they have had an ear infection

Wellbythebloodyhell, there is nothing wrong in airing your concern. You should have a choice and decide what is right for children. But what we parents who want to vaccinate children facing is that people repeatedly telling us it's wrong to vaccinate our own children. What I am saying is, we should have rights too decide what's right for our children. And since 12+ years are old enough, if my dc wants it, he should have a choice too.

What I am saying is, we should have rights too decide what's right for our children.

I hope that these children get a say.

And if they don't - and there are side effects they will have the rest of their lives to live with the consequences of their parents' decision.

That works both ways, I know - my kids don't want to be vaccinated and I don't want them vaccinated - if they get very sick with Covid and have long term effects I will carry that burden too.

No definitely not and find it very worrying

@roguetomato

Wellbythebloodyhell, there is nothing wrong in airing your concern. You should have a choice and decide what is right for children. But what we parents who want to vaccinate children facing is that people repeatedly telling us it's wrong to vaccinate our own children. What I am saying is, we should have rights too decide what's right for our children. And since 12+ years are old enough, if my dc wants it, he should have a choice too.

I whole heartedly agree I'd never tell anyone they were wrong, by the same token though I hope there isn't those who voice opinion the other way if I decide against vaccinating just yet like we have seen it happen with adults. FWIW after speaking with my older dc , 1 is dead against (age 14) 1 would consider it(age 11 soon to be 12), of course with this all being hypothetical at the moment I've no tough decisions to make just yet

Absolutely no way will I agree to my children being vaccinated.

And if just one healthy child in the UK dies of a vaccine-related illness/injury it will be one more healthy child in the UK than has died of Covid.

There's absolutely no moral justification for vaccinating children against this.

@ShameCloud don’t you think vulnerable children should have the option to be vaccinated?

@HSHorror

That is silly re vax period issues - there are threads about period issues after covid too so why worry about one not the other.

We need to be given the choice like other countries. As absolute minimum to pay for a vax.
Any kid who has had a positive pcr should not be prioritised to start with. (Unless of course they had it badly/long term issues)

Both should be investigated. The side effects from the vaccine are different though.

Reported impact on menstrual cycle following testing positive for covid-19:
-Delayed period/missing periods
-Lighter flow

Reported impact on menstrual cycle following covid-19 vaccination:
-Delayed period/missing periods
-Lighter flow
-Periods more painful than usual
-Periods heavier than usual
-Multiple periods in one month
-Period full of clots
-Trans men and post-menopausal women who haven't experienced bleeding in a long time bleeding after being vaccinated

Could that be better reporting system for the vax?
Plus higher uptake than premenstral women having covid

@BringBackThinEyebrows

no this isn't case - reported symptoms have been similar for both COVID infection and post vaccination

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