No masks after 19th July - Hoo-blardy-Ray!!!!!

[TeddingtonTrashbag]

As reported in the DM.
So happy if it’s true.

Never, @MercyBooth, people only get Covid across the aisles in the supermarket or standing in a queue next the padded envelopes in the post office. From those nasty selfish covid-breathed mask refusers, obvs.

[quote MercyBooth]So when are we going to talk about nosocomial infections.

From the day before they "cancelled" Christmas.

www.hsj.co.uk/patient-safety/covid-infections-caught-in-hospital-rise-by-a-third-in-one-week/7029211.article[/quote]
This is what happens when a cases rise above a certain threshold as we saw in December and Jan- hospitals become overwhelmed and it's impossible to keep patients safe from infection.

Surely this highlights why the increased restrictions around Christmastime were necessary @MercyBooth?

I wore the wrong mask to work today and ended up having a panic attack because it felt like I couldn't breathe.

Did someone mention a red badge? How about a red wristband.

twitter.com/BigBrotherWatch/status/1410662926038544390?s=20

They caught it IN hospital.

@MercyBooth

They caught it IN hospital.

Yes, and as I said, this is the problem with levels of coronavirus exceeding a certain level in the UK, it is impossible to keep patients safe from infection.

When hospitals are saturated with COVID+ people, the policies put in place to keep COVD patients isolated from other vulnerable patients break down, it's simply no longer possible. This is one of the reasons why suppression measures are necessary.

Oh dear, I think I have annoyed someone🤣🤣🤣

There's folk walking around who think they're better than retail staff. Think they're high and mighty and can treat everyday folk like shit.

Guess what, you're servant might not be as loyal to you as you think they are

I do understand those that are cev and not fully vaccinated being worried but honestly if you look at the actual statistics you are 1) probably have already had it so have antibodies.
2) the likelyhood of you dying or becoming seriously ill is now very low
3) a piece of fabric or paper over someone else's face is really not going to stop you catching a virus
4) you wearing the same is again not going to stop you catching it
If you are really concerned then perhaps a proper face mask with a filtration system would help? They are very pricey and you would have to investigate those that do filter micro particles, as the ones DH uses for work that have a filtration system still leave him with a clogged nose with dust particles even though they are changed regularly and are £95 a time! Xx

@TheVampiresWife

Maybe because we don’t want all the germy anti-maskers breathing their Covid breath all over us when we pop to the supermarket thanks

How do you know whether they're anti-maskers or exempt? Do only those who refuse to wear masks have germy Covid breath? Does Covid differentiate? Do you?

Maybe they should just stay home and order home delivery, much like those who can't wear a mask have been told to do by people on here over the last year or so.

@AloneInTheRoom
I really hope any of my comments haven't been too offensive to you. I can see it from both sides and it's so difficult to know how to keep everyone safe at the same time. Being so vulnerable must be so hard just now, and I really don't know what I want to say, but just sorry. You, obviously cant go out normally without the safety of knowing people are wearing masks, yet I, who have physically nothing wrong with me, cant go out whilst people are wearing them. It's just horrible. Bugger Covid!" I wish you all the best in your treatment and recovery.

(Maybe they should just stay home and order home delivery*

Nah, punters want the shopping experience. Without the staff answering back.

@apocalypsehow Cloth on my face won't change the fact that I've never tested positive and that I don't know anyone who has been sick with the virus. I know some, not close, acquaintances who have had positive tests (they have to test regularly) but I don't know anyone who has been ill.

This goes a long way to explaining your I-know-best-defying-the-science views. I wish you could have seen my friend’s face as she was talking to me (socially distanced across her driveway during an earlier stage of lockdown) as she described her healthy father’s premature death from Covid. The raw grief and loss on her face was desperate. .

This is why I really can’t bear the attitude of ‘I know better than you silly mask-wearing sheep that’s why I didn’t wear one’. It’s because of us silly mask wearing sheep that you were able to write the paragraph I quoted at the top. Lucky, lucky you. You’re welcome.

Sorry to derail slightly but if masks go will they also be gone at theatres. I have several tickets for the autumn. I was assuming SD might go but will I actually be able to sit there without mask on?

Maybe they should just stay home and order home delivery, much like those who can't wear a mask have been told to do by people on here over the last year or so

Yes! And also not go to work, take DC to school, use public transport or participate in life at all. After all, if it's good enough for the mask exempt...

@Flaxmeadow

(Maybe they should just stay home and order home delivery*

Nah, punters want the shopping experience. Without the staff answering back.

Staff shouldn't be 'answering back' at mask exempt people.

[quote Ginandfantalemon]@AloneInTheRoom
I really hope any of my comments haven't been too offensive to you. I can see it from both sides and it's so difficult to know how to keep everyone safe at the same time. Being so vulnerable must be so hard just now, and I really don't know what I want to say, but just sorry. You, obviously cant go out normally without the safety of knowing people are wearing masks, yet I, who have physically nothing wrong with me, cant go out whilst people are wearing them. It's just horrible. Bugger Covid!" I wish you all the best in your treatment and recovery.[/quote]

Thank you, I appreciate you taking the time to write that post. Sadly my cancer is not curable (blood cancer often isn't), but I am in remission and I'm hoping I get some sort of life back. Believe me I do understand the feelings of those who want to carry on as if life were normal, I just don't understand the dismissive and sometimes downright cruel remarks I've been reading on MN and in many other places, that condemn people like me for wanting to keep ourselves as safe as we can. To be told I'm a sheep, to be expected to not mind if I'm collateral damage and to be lectured to and patronised by those who believe that everyone is bullet proof once vaccinated, is hurtful and infuriating. I'm no stranger to having to keep myself safe, I dread the flu season every year because of my high risk, but I've been very shocked by the inhumanity I've been encountering since March 2020 and the anger directed at people like me, as if we, not covid are the reason life has changed for us all.

@ThyNameIsDave

I don't know better than anyone. And I'm not bothered in the slightest about anyone wearing a mask whenever they want.

I have no magically become immune to Covid. I have made great efforts to keep myself safe. I don't bow down to the almighty power of the mask. You talk as if I go around with unwashed hands, not willing to isolate if need be, and invading people's space. I follow everything to the letter except for masks.

I don't know anyone personally who has lost anyone due to Covid. Anyone who I do know peripherally who has, have all worn masks and been surrounded by other people who have worn masks.

I'm not miraculously alive because of people wearing masks around me. If you think they help that much then that's up to you. I have more faith in vaccines, social distancing, hand washing, sanitising and carefully timed lockdowns when required.

You'd like to think I have contributed to Covid deaths by not wearing a little piece of fabric occasionally over my face. Well, it's nice to point the finger somewhere but it's not on people like me. Regular testing every week makes me pretty certain of that. A positive result would lead to self-isolation. It hasn't been necessary so far.

Sadly the virus spreads despite our best efforts. Maybe concern yourself more with the timing of the first lockdown if you'd like to see where we could have had a chance to clamp down more effectively.

Plus in the winter, it keeps my face warm!

Yup. When that north wind does bloweth, it certainly puts an end to chapped lips! Positively cosy. I hear you.

And yes to the shops that might initially insist on retaining them -will rapidly change when their only customer are the fussy stingy type

Eh? Say what? What a very odd thing to say!

I think if there had been a hald decent government in place with one or two really good communicators at the forefront , things could have been different.

What is the Science behind masks? Where are the studies, the statistics that show it is worth doing? When will we get the OK to stop wearing them?

Just because a person has doubts does not make them a murderer, thats just ridiculous.

Its not about selfishness or discomfort, why can't people see that?

Does it work? Is it worth doing? Why are thousands of people allowed to jump about next to each other because its football without masks?
Can't you see the stupidity , the inconsistency of it all?

@apocalypsehow my last post to you as I see it is pointless arguing with you.
Unless you are a medic/required by work I very much doubt you tested every single week as it was very difficult to get tests at the beginning.
I am astonished that you can’t see how selfish your decision was to not contribute to the national effort to protect each other from Covid. It’s really as simple as that. No-one likes wearing masks, everyone will be glad when it’s over but as a nation we were advised that what we could do to protect ourselves and each other was to wear masks (in addition to social distancing, hand washing etc). My dc (teens) are both autistic. They struggle with the masks but they wear them as much as they can because they understand the principle.
Your wilful refusal to comprehend why your decision to not wear a mask was selfish is only a reflection on you. As I said before I am grateful that the vast majority of the population are more community minded and decided to follow the guidelines and not ignore them because they just didn’t want to.
I personally think that the government’s handling of the pandemic has been appalling (including the timing of the first lockdown). In fact I think the current government is just appalling. However their one saving grace has been the vaccine programme. I wonder if you got yours? I bet you did because that protected YOU. Those of us who have put up with masks protected you and everyone else as much we could in an impossible situation. We were never going to be able to stop the virus but along with the other measures we helped to reduce the casualties. You have no idea which of your friends or family avoided contracting Covid because a mask-wearing person, not knowing they were postive, didn’t breathe/cough/sneeze near them when they were passing in a shop, leaning across to pick up a packet from the shelf etc. It only takes a tiny particle to devastate a family and if wearing ‘a bit of cloth’ on our faces for the last year 18 months helped prevent that, I’m glad most of us did.