Anti-lockdowners pretending to care about kids again

[noblegiraffe]

So it's all over the news about how nearly 400,000 kids are having to isolate because of covid cases in schools. Complaints about how disruptive to education it is and to the mental health of the children involved. This disruptive isolation must end as soon as possible.

Contrast to last November when nearly a million kids were self-isolating in a week. Do you remember the headlines, discussions and outrage about that?

No, of course you don't. Because back then, the solution to so many kids isolating was to put more mitigation measures in schools and attempt to stop so many kids catching it.

Now they can argue that it doesn't matter if all kids catch it, they're all over the 'terrible' isolation figures which are less than half of those last year.

I'm SO done with people only caring about kids and education when they think that they can use them for their own benefit.

If these loud voices could be used to talk about things like the cuts to pupil premium, the pitiful covid catch-up funding, the critical shortage of teachers, the unsafe state of schools, the massive waiting lists for CAMHS and SEN services, then maybe I'd believe them when they claim to care about children.

What influence does noble have? Precisely zero.

Enough influence for the Department for Education to personally request MNHQ post on one of the threads…

The thing that riles me is that we have the most highly qualified medical professors worldwide telling us this is the best course of action.
Yet people refuse to listen and would rather weaponise misconceptions and pseudoscience in a bid for their personal freedom.
And the outcome of that choice is to impact children’s health and the wellbeing of others to an even greater degree.

@ChloeDecker

What influence does noble have? Precisely zero.

Enough influence for the Department for Education to personally request MNHQ post on one of the threads…

Oh that old chestnut! Well they've not been very influential have they?

@Hornbill123456789

The thing that riles me is that we have the most highly qualified medical professors worldwide telling us this is the best course of action. Yet people refuse to listen and would rather weaponise misconceptions and pseudoscience in a bid for their personal freedom. And the outcome of that choice is to impact children’s health and the wellbeing of others to an even greater degree.

The job of the medical professors is solely to focus on eliminating the virus- life however is far more complex, there are economical and social considerations that need to be balanced

There are also many paediatricians calling for an end to the isolations. Not Covid deniers, or conspiracy theorists, just doctors who are concerned. And teachers too. Saw on tv yesterday.

Yes I saw the teacher on the news calling for the end of isolations yesterday. Good for her.

@WouldBeGood

There are also many paediatricians calling for an end to the isolations. Not Covid deniers, or conspiracy theorists, just doctors who are concerned. And teachers too. Saw on tv yesterday.

Of course there are. I would hazard a guess that most normally very compliant parents think isolation needs to be rethought about.

In winter there were no vaccinations & the numbers were horrendous.
Now nearly all of the elderly and vuberable are vaccinated and the majority of all adults are.

Back in winter I was happily going along with it all as yes it was concerning and scary. Now however … (and no I didn’t go to a protest) …it’s the hypocrisy of it all that is completely enraging!!!

• football can go ahead with drunk fans literally crowding in streets and chanting
• the G7 summit where they all gathered together no masks, then sat 2m apart with masks on chairs for a photo??
• the Scottish football team don’t need to isolate despite one of the team testing positive
• bloody Matt Hancock!!! Need I say more!!telling the nation you and hug your family yet whilst all the while 🤢🤮
• ascot again need I say more

Yet..no sports days, only one parent in the hospital with a sick child, children missing school, no settling in days for reception children, even down to simply if I’m dropping my 2 year old at preschool and she’s upset I am not allowed to go in to settle her. I just need to wave goodbye at the door with a mask on my face where she can barley hear me

Its completely unfair on children now.

And anti lockdowners/anti vaxxers - if you are THAT concerned about children’s health - what are you doing to help? Supporting ideologies that increase the infection rate and make things worse for children - or -volunteering in a local sports club and restricting your behaviour to reduce the infection rate for others? I highly suspect it is the former.

The reason why many children are having to isolate now is down to anti vaxxers, anti lockdowners and those that refuse to follow guidance.

I’m neither an anti-lockdowner or an anti-vaxxer. I suspect many posters on here aren’t. They are just not supportive of the repeated impact on children of isolations and that is an immediate issue that needs to be addressed.

teachers were worried about getting Covid

How peculiar of them, when no one else was remotely bothered by it.

I'm not an anti vaxxer - I've been double jabbed as has my dh and two of my adult children. I definitely wasn't anti lockdown either. I am now looking forward to things moving forward a bit over the summer and really hoping my kids get more face to face uni time and my dd doesn't have to endure the bubble system any more.

I did want repeated isolations because of the impact on children and their education. That's also why I wanted appropriate measures in schools to reduce the spread of Covid. Unfortunately any time this was discussed a handful of posters were rather angry at the very suggestion that schools were open in with appropriate mitigation measures. There were months of people arguing that emotional teachers didn't care about the children and even on threads where people were discussing mitigation measures, there were still people trotting out 'see the teachers want to close the schools' nonsense.

@borntobequiet

teachers were worried about getting Covid

How peculiar of them, when no one else was remotely bothered by it.

The retail staff and police didn’t insist on doing their jobs via zoom

@borntobequiet

teachers were worried about getting Covid

How peculiar of them, when no one else was remotely bothered by it.

These threads were started under the premise that teachers were the most vulnerable in society.

Oh that’s unfair hornbill

@Hornbill123456789

The reason why many children are having to isolate now is down to anti vaxxers, anti lockdowners and those that refuse to follow guidance.

🤣🤣 Listen to yourself.

@OnlyFoolsnMothers I haven’t had a day wfh. Thankfully. When schools closed in winter I had a class of 20 kids in every day. Some of my colleagues did wfh which was annoying.

I think my kids' teachers have been brilliant by the way, not that that fits the agenda and will no doubt be twisted in some way by certain posters.

The retail staff and police didn’t insist on doing their jobs via zoom

You don’t get irony, do you?

These threads were started under the premise that teachers were the most vulnerable in society.

Nonsense. The threads were started because teachers care about children and their education and wanted effective mitigations in schools to protect children and (all) staff so that education could continue as safely as possible. Instead we were given the mantra “schools are safe”, a late Autumn where infection rates in schools went up to over 2500 per 100000 (driving up rates in the community in a vicious cycle), a January lockdown and now rates among children soaring again because even now government will not recognise the problem, even to the point of not re-mandating face coverings in educational settings.
Teachers don’t want schools closed or kids in and out randomly as infections wax and wane. It makes it impossible to do their jobs.

I thought cases among children were going up because so many adults were double jabbed.

Bryonyshcmyony what do you mean by Covid not being a 'shit storm'?

Just from an educational pov, some children have barely been in school for the past 16 months either because of school closures (in line with the rest of the world) or repeated periods of self-isolation.

These repeated periods of SI result from a lack of mitigation measures in schools (as directed by the government) and a governmental refusal to let schools do blended learning ie part time at school, part time at home esp for secondary to reduce transmission in schools .

At the end of 2020, the Medway variant ripped through schools and then the community. We now have Delta doing the same. Yes, lots of people are vaccinated etc but letting the virus spread continues to pose risks to everyone and increases the possibility of more variants, the fear of course, being that new variants could be vaccine-resistant.

And more repeated SIs for many children.

Going into school terrified that you're going to contract the virus and spread it to your ECV parent or other family member was hardly good for children's mental health either. Nor was the uncertainty around public exams/assessment for two years running.

And yy to what noblegiraffe says about 'vulnerable and SEN children' being weaponised when it suits the anti-lockdown agenda. There were tons of hand-wringing threads about the impact of school closures on them at the beginning of this year, but a distinct lack of ongoing concern about the under-resourcing that has been affecting these children for many years and continues to do so now that schools are nominally back.

And retail staff, police, HCP not doing their jobs via Zoom... indeed not and they had mitigation measures of screens, masks, reduced numbers of customers in stores etc put in place.

That was all that teachers were asking for - mitigation measures and funding to provide them so that schools could continue to remain open.

And the data suggests that if these things had been put in place there would have been fewer school closures and fewer periods of isolation, which seems to be what pretty much everyone especially the teachers on these threads have wanted all along.

DS’ school has been brilliant too; as normal as it could possibly be. I am very grateful to them.

I didn't mean Covid itself isn't a shit storm. I meant teachers weren't t hit worse than anyone else. As well you know.