Anti-lockdowners pretending to care about kids again

[noblegiraffe]

So it's all over the news about how nearly 400,000 kids are having to isolate because of covid cases in schools. Complaints about how disruptive to education it is and to the mental health of the children involved. This disruptive isolation must end as soon as possible.

Contrast to last November when nearly a million kids were self-isolating in a week. Do you remember the headlines, discussions and outrage about that?

No, of course you don't. Because back then, the solution to so many kids isolating was to put more mitigation measures in schools and attempt to stop so many kids catching it.

Now they can argue that it doesn't matter if all kids catch it, they're all over the 'terrible' isolation figures which are less than half of those last year.

I'm SO done with people only caring about kids and education when they think that they can use them for their own benefit.

If these loud voices could be used to talk about things like the cuts to pupil premium, the pitiful covid catch-up funding, the critical shortage of teachers, the unsafe state of schools, the massive waiting lists for CAMHS and SEN services, then maybe I'd believe them when they claim to care about children.

@Bryonyshcmyony

Agreed. We absolutely shouldn’t have listened to noble. There’s a reason why her opinions haven’t been very popular mainstream. It’s because they aren’t. Just a mumsnet thing.

I never agreed with sending whole classes home should one child get sick. Absurd!

Teachers are no more at risk than police officers, taxi/ bus drivers, supermarket workers, amazon warehouse workers etc etc etc yet all the stupid "covid knows now to cross tape on the floor" nonsense was utterly ridiculous. Covid also didnt know to stay away from the supermarket workers who were vital in letting the frightened and paranoid stay at home.

Our children should have never had their education sacrificed at the alter of covid paranoia. We will, or rather our children will, experience the ramifications for years to come.

And for the record, I have been VERY anti school closure and anti isolations. I work in a role which deals directly with dysfunctional home lives some of these kids are living. I have SEEN the negative impact these have on kids behind closed doors.

Moaning about Gov't is pointless, it's the govt we have and they're not going anywhere. Instead of teachers targeting worried parents and having a constant go at parents. Some teachers on here i sincerely hope quit teaching ASAP, they dont deserve to have our children anywhere near them.

@Bryonyshcmyony

I thought cases among children were going up because so many adults were double jabbed.

Cases in children are going up because they are the only subset of the population who on a daily basis are required to be in close contact for prolonged periods indoors with many others with no effective mitigation measures. Many of the staff who teach them may now be vaccinated or double vaccinated, as may many of their parents, which is at least something. But infection rates aren’t a zero sum game. Decreases in one sector doesn’t mean increases in another. We see many more infections in children now because a) we recognise that they can acquire and spread infection and b) we routinely test them for it. This was not the case in the latter half of last year.

Moaning about Gov't is pointless, it's the govt we have and they're not going anywhere. Instead of teachers targeting worried parents and having a constant go at parents. Some teachers on here i sincerely hope quit teaching ASAP, they dont deserve to have our children anywhere near them

@Bryonyshcmyony

I didn't mean Covid itself isn't a shit storm. I meant teachers weren't t hit worse than anyone else. As well you know.

No teacher on MN has ever said this.

[quote Chillychangchoo]@Bryonyshcmyony

Agreed. We absolutely shouldn’t have listened to noble. There’s a reason why her opinions haven’t been very popular mainstream. It’s because they aren’t. Just a mumsnet thing.[/quote]
We absolutely shouldn’t have listened to noble. There’s a reason why her opinions haven’t been very popular mainstream. It’s because they aren’t. Just a mumsnet thing

I meant teachers weren't t hit worse than anyone else.

Who has said teachers were worse hit than anyone else? They weren’t.
However they were the only part of the workforce actually required to work in unsafe conditions without effective mitigations.

Quite. I don't remember teachers claiming to be 'worst hit' than anyone else, just very angry and frightened that their working environments weren't subject to the same mitigation measures as every other workplace.

Covid has been a shit storm for schools - I don't understand why you'd want to minimise its impact.

It still beggars belief to me that English schools scrapped mask wearing when rates remain high.
I'd love to know more about the ventilation systems some countries are putting in (our government - spend money on schools? Goes against all their principles) We still have rooms with no fresh air (Internal rooms) and many with tiny openings due to concerns about accidents.

I don’t disagree more should have been done but I don’t think saying isolating whole classes is madness makes you a hypocrite!

It’s a fluid situation. I was arguing for marquees on fields last autumn (which promptly got shot down), I mentioned Germany had installed special air filtration units in their schools. I’d have loved that to have happened here.

It unfortunately became blindingly obvious the government were not going to invest in schools.

Right now it’s over, we are close to removing restrictions. There will be no measures to make schools ‘safe’ so the focus now has to be on ending these isolations.

It doesn’t make anyone a hypocrite to change focus in an ever evolving situation.

Cutting and pasting quotes in italics and then repeating them in bold just makes more people read them echt. Posting a passive aggressive flower doesn't stop people agreeing with some of them BTW.

That’s fair delatron

Agreed. We absolutely shouldn’t have listened to noble. There’s a reason why her opinions haven’t been very popular mainstream. It’s because they aren’t. Just a mumsnet thing.
The idea that the government should have had a coherent strategy and should have put appropriate measures in place is the dominant view with my friends and colleagues. It's not really a niche view to put appropriate measures in place.

Someone else’s tweet - but this is what I object to:

These drum-banging, freedom-chanting anti-lockdowners crowded into Westfield shopping centre today to have oh-so-much fun being protesters.

While 150k lie dead from Covid, their families steeped in grief.

No words.

If people were ignoring restrictions, then the consequence of their actions is to increase the infection rate which is why children are isolating now.

I do think freedom day will happen, and of course I support the lifting of the isolation rule when the time comes.

But while that rule is in place, and deemed necessary to be in place - we should be following the guidelines and reducing the spread of infection for all.

@LolaSmiles

Agreed. We absolutely shouldn’t have listened to noble. There’s a reason why her opinions haven’t been very popular mainstream. It’s because they aren’t. Just a mumsnet thing. The idea that the government should have had a coherent strategy and should have put appropriate measures in place is the dominant view with my friends and colleagues. It's not really a niche view to put appropriate measures in place.

Great. One thread on that would have been very useful. Not eleventy billion, all laying into parents who disagreed with your oh so reasonable argument and accusing them of being paid posters.

God I wish I did get paid 😂.

@Delatron 👏🏼 Very well said!

Parents changing their views on an ever changing situation - what idiots. What hypocrites.

But while that rule is in place, and deemed necessary to be in place - we should be following the guidelines and reducing the spread of infection for all that’s the difference, I don’t deem any further restrictions necessary

Bryonyshcmyony I don't remember teachers laying into parents (I'm a parent and not a teacher btw).

I do remember many teachers laying into the government for their refusal to make schools as safe as they could.

I also remember teachers becoming angry when parents accused them of wanting schools to close (I don't recall a single teacher advocating for this), or of doing no work during school lockdowns (despite plenty of accounts from teachers as to what they had been doing).

And if you think there were too many threads about the dangerous situation in schools, you didn't have to read them let alone comment.

@Delatron

It’s a fluid situation. I was arguing for marquees on fields last autumn (which promptly got shot down), I mentioned Germany had installed special air filtration units in their schools. I’d have loved that to have happened here.

It unfortunately became blindingly obvious the government were not going to invest in schools.

Right now it’s over, we are close to removing restrictions. There will be no measures to make schools ‘safe’ so the focus now has to be on ending these isolations.

It doesn’t make anyone a hypocrite to change focus in an ever evolving situation.

It makes you a hypocrite if you can turn a blind eye to 20k+ daily cases (many school children) and dismiss this fluid ever changing situation as being over.

Something tells me we are in for a nasty shock, our biggest mistake will be underestimating Delta if we naively believe we can simply ignore it.

Great. One thread on that would have been very useful. Not eleventy billion, all laying into parents who disagreed with your oh so reasonable argument and accusing them of being paid posters.

About the one thing I learned through the winter lockdown was the term "astroturfing". I suppose I owe Nobel thanks for that piece of knowledge.

But having a difference of opinion does not mean that you are being paid by an organisation. People can actually have a range of opinions and people can adapt them as circumstances change.

Right now it’s over, we are close to removing restrictions. There will be no measures to make schools ‘safe’ so the focus now has to be on ending these isolations.

It's over, Delatron?