Anti-lockdowners pretending to care about kids again

[noblegiraffe]

So it's all over the news about how nearly 400,000 kids are having to isolate because of covid cases in schools. Complaints about how disruptive to education it is and to the mental health of the children involved. This disruptive isolation must end as soon as possible.

Contrast to last November when nearly a million kids were self-isolating in a week. Do you remember the headlines, discussions and outrage about that?

No, of course you don't. Because back then, the solution to so many kids isolating was to put more mitigation measures in schools and attempt to stop so many kids catching it.

Now they can argue that it doesn't matter if all kids catch it, they're all over the 'terrible' isolation figures which are less than half of those last year.

I'm SO done with people only caring about kids and education when they think that they can use them for their own benefit.

If these loud voices could be used to talk about things like the cuts to pupil premium, the pitiful covid catch-up funding, the critical shortage of teachers, the unsafe state of schools, the massive waiting lists for CAMHS and SEN services, then maybe I'd believe them when they claim to care about children.

Ah I see, cornflower, what you mean is I shouldn't respond when people say ridiculous things about me.

I have read most of the schools threads on here over the last year and it has been very unpleasant at times.
I have to say though, that the OP has seldom, if ever, been "vitriolic" or "dished out" the sort of things you (and TeddingtonTrashbag) allege.
It's interesting how people choose to re-write the facts in order to discredit information that doesn't fit with their agenda.

No, respond if you want. It doesn’t exactly make a difference to my life, does it!

But I would be questioning why I feel the need to keep doing this to myself and why it feels good to spend so much time combating with people online. And it isn’t intended patronisingly. I’ve been there myself although in different circumstances.

Stop looking for things that aren't there.

I know exactly why I do what I'm doing, thanks. And I'm not doing anything 'to myself'.

@AfternoonToffee

Stop looking for things that aren't there.

says the person who had a 'feeling' that I was trying to get schools closed.

@CallmeHendricks

I have read most of the schools threads on here over the last year and it has been very unpleasant at times. I have to say though, that the OP has seldom, if ever, been "vitriolic" or "dished out" the sort of things you (and TeddingtonTrashbag) allege. It's interesting how people choose to re-write the facts in order to discredit information that doesn't fit with their agenda.

The OP was so rude to me personally that it got deleted. I wish it hadn't tbh.

@noblegiraffe

Ah I see, cornflower, what you mean is I shouldn't respond when people say ridiculous things about me.

You've literally written claimed that people who disagree with you don't care about children. It's the title of this thread. Then you expect people like me who have a history you have no idea about but know the damage closures and masks are causing to come in here and agree with you. You maybe a teacher but you are not the final word. If you start with an accusation generalising about a group of people you can't be surprised when the retaliate in kind.

You've literally written claimed that people who disagree with you don't care about children.

No, I have not claimed that people who disagree with me don’t care about children, I have been quite clear in my OP that it’s about people who claim to care about kids but only when it suits them and who are entirely absent when kids need support in any way that can’t be used as an argument for removing mitigation measures.

Reducing that to ‘people who disagree with you’ is very bizarre.

@Whatever9999

Thanks for replying. It’s confirmed that my kids school really is over the top. I hope the head gains a sense of perspective in September and works with any guidance within reason and with common sense. If not I’ll move them to a less restrictive school and do my research beforehand.

The OP has had the most deletions on this thread. Let’s not rewrite history, we know her posting style and yes it is often vitriolic and pretty aggressive. Quite often she will just go on and on at one poster in particular. Maybe she’d get more support if she was less combative. I know many simply avoided her posts as they didn’t want an argument with her.

The OP debates, pointing out holes and contradictions in someone’s argument, but only when that poster “goes on and on” at her!

A lot of time is spent attacking Noble (the person) rather than Noble's arguments. Wonder why that is?

@Chillychangchoo, and you don't think that what you have just posted counts as a personal attack?

@Mistressiggi

Well when someone makes outlandish claims (like the title) and generally doesn’t have a nice tone to anyone who simply disagrees with her, I should imagine that might contribute. Also you’re wrong, people have been debating with the issue that noble appears to have.

@Delatron. I think that's nonsense.

OP is not actually very good at explaining herself or her point I think.

It can’t be a coincidence that many of us get confused about what she actually wants. We’re not all thick. I have a politics degree so I’m pretty used to debate. Maybe it’s the maths that’s her strong point.

Also agree with @Chillychangchoo that OP is very passive aggressive, she hones in on one poster and is very much like a dog with a bone. It’s exhausting.

I do think if she had a different posting style she would get more support for her ideas. She shoots herself in the foot really. By battling so many people.

@Mistressiggi

A lot of time is spent attacking Noble (the person) rather than Noble's arguments. Wonder why that is?

An awful lot of the time is spent attacking things that they pretend I said too. A straw Noble.

@CallmeHendricks I think your post is nonsense too. However there’s actual evidence of deletions on this thread by the OP for personal attacks so....

Noble believes her views are 100% correct. That’s fine, most of us do, that’s why we hold them.
However in all the posts I have seen written by noble (and that’s A LOT), I have not seen a single concession to anyone else’s viewpoint. Not even an attempt to. And I think that’s what gets people’s backs up.
We have absolutely zero evidence to suggest that any of the mitigations proposed would have kept schools open. Community spread at the point of closures was so high that I suspect nothing would have kept them open. There is no evidence that ventilation systems in classrooms would help, and in fact there is a body of evidence to suggest that the way they work actually increases the flow of viral particles, potentially leading to increased spread in a classroom environment. This is my area of expertise. Windows that open properly should of course be something that is expected in a classroom, but in January when we were seeing tens of thousands of tests a day, this would have made no difference whatsoever. Part time schooling was something the government decided against for a variety of reasons.
There is no nuance to a thread posted by Noble. It’s just ‘I’m right and you’re all wrong’. It doesn’t lead to a valuable and useful discussion.

It can’t be a coincidence that many of us get confused about what she actually wants.

I think that’s a reading comprehension issue. Deliberate, in some cases.

I mean, I can literally provide a list of things that I want, like funding for ventilation and then posters will pop up claiming they have a feeling I actually want something else.

@Ifitquacks

Noble believes her views are 100% correct. That’s fine, most of us do, that’s why we hold them. However in all the posts I have seen written by noble (and that’s A LOT), I have not seen a single concession to anyone else’s viewpoint. Not even an attempt to. And I think that’s what gets people’s backs up. We have absolutely zero evidence to suggest that any of the mitigations proposed would have kept schools open. Community spread at the point of closures was so high that I suspect nothing would have kept them open. There is no evidence that ventilation systems in classrooms would help, and in fact there is a body of evidence to suggest that the way they work actually increases the flow of viral particles, potentially leading to increased spread in a classroom environment. This is my area of expertise. Windows that open properly should of course be something that is expected in a classroom, but in January when we were seeing tens of thousands of tests a day, this would have made no difference whatsoever. Part time schooling was something the government decided against for a variety of reasons. There is no nuance to a thread posted by Noble. It’s just ‘I’m right and you’re all wrong’. It doesn’t lead to a valuable and useful discussion.

Brilliant. This explains it far better than I did in my slightly hungover state.

There is none so blind as those who won't see.