Why are all the Covid conspiracy theory’s coming true?

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Honest question?

@Lourdes12

They are vaccinating children down to the age of 12! What's worse if the child seems intelligent enough they can decide to have the jab even i the parens don't give consent wtf!

Did you go looking for old posts to resurrect to fit your agenda?

@GoldFrankensteinAndGrrr
Reading the post you've linked I'd say rhan fuck the children themselves are deemed to be intelligent because the parents seem to have the braincells of an aubergine.

*thank.

It good that kids are offered the jab. They might have clinically vulnerable people in their household and it isn’t being forced upon them by anyone. Why the horror?

the parents seem to have the braincells of an aubergine

Definitely storing 'braincells of an aubergine' away for future use!

(And yes, I agree)

Just like how people are now saying "no one ever claimed the vaccines prevented you from catching Covid".

Please link to any credible scientist or other expert who claimed the vaccines would prevent infection or transmission @IncredulousOne?

Barely any vaccines do this, I find it bizarre anyone would try and claim someone with scientific knowledge had said this

And this is for pathogens with a very slow mutation rate - for a coronavirus it would be expected to behave much more like 'flu. And we know efficacy of vaccines in terms of preventing influenza infection can be as low as ~60%.

@345tyu

The great reset of the WEF/ Klaus Schwab- slowly happening whilst you are bickering over jabs ...

Do explain and provide conclusive evidence.

@Lourdes12

They are vaccinating children down to the age of 12! What's worse if the child seems intelligent enough they can decide to have the jab even i the parens don't give consent wtf!

Children don't have to follow stupid decisions by their parents shock horror.

This reminds me of a mini argument I had on Twitter with parents who proclaimed that their children would never have the vaccination. I asked them, purely hypothetically, what would happen if at some point their children made up their own minds and decided to have it, and they simply would not entertain that possibility even hypothetically. It was really quite sad, the notion that at some point they will not be able to control their children's every action was something they simply could not cope with. They ended up blocking me, obviously that was preferable to having to consider facts.

@ollyollyoxenfree

Just like how people are now saying "no one ever claimed the vaccines prevented you from catching Covid".

Please link to any credible scientist or other expert who claimed the vaccines would prevent infection or transmission @IncredulousOne?

Barely any vaccines do this, I find it bizarre anyone would try and claim someone with scientific knowledge had said this

And this is for pathogens with a very slow mutation rate - for a coronavirus it would be expected to behave much more like 'flu. And we know efficacy of vaccines in terms of preventing influenza infection can be as low as ~60%.

Oh ollyolly you make it too easy for me...

The following article from May this year is headlined "2 Pfizer COVID-19 shots 95% effective in preventing infection - study" and makes the claim and references a published study in The Lancet

www.jpost.com/health-science/2-pfizer-covid-19-shots-95-percent-effective-in-preventing-infection-study-667427

The fact that it comes from The Jerusalem Post only adds to the (tragic) irony, considering what Israel's subsequent case rates have shown.

But even that article doesn't say that vaccines prevent transmission completely? Just from the title?

Proving Olly's point?

This is really bizarre, that some people thought vaccinating children was a conspiracy theory? Now it's happening it's a case of 'HA! See! Told you!' - but I don't see how vaccinating children is some great conspiracy theory??

@herecomesthsun

But even that article doesn't say that vaccines prevent transmission completely? Just from the title?

Proving Olly's point?

Must try harder, @herecomesthesun

I never said that people claimed "vaccines prevent transmission completely" (and nor did ollyolly for that matter). I said:

Just like how people are now saying "no one ever claimed the vaccines prevented you from catching Covid"

(If you look hard, what I said is right there - ollyolly even quoted it...)

So, I think that me producing a headline and journal article which state that vaccines are "95% effective in preventing infection" rather conclusively proves my point.

you make it too easy for me

lol clearly not @IncredulousOne

So, I think that me producing a headline and journal article which state that vaccines are "95% effective in preventing infection" rather conclusively proves my point.

No it doesn't?

You stated that experts claimed the vaccines prevented transmission. I asked for anyone credible stating this. You've failed to provide this?

Also you might want to remember that newspapers articles reporting on scientific articles are not what I asked for - I said credible experts making this claim. Journalists and politicians have continuously mangled and misreported the findings from scientific articles throughout the pandemic.

Not that it's relevant as it doesn't even prove your point anyway!

the vaccines do prevent infection quite a bit though? Just not completely? So what point are you trying to make then, @IncredulousOne?

@ollyollyoxenfree

Just like how people are now saying "no one ever claimed the vaccines prevented you from catching Covid".

Please link to any credible scientist or other expert who claimed the vaccines would prevent infection or transmission @IncredulousOne?

Barely any vaccines do this, I find it bizarre anyone would try and claim someone with scientific knowledge had said this

And this is for pathogens with a very slow mutation rate - for a coronavirus it would be expected to behave much more like 'flu. And we know efficacy of vaccines in terms of preventing influenza infection can be as low as ~60%.

Here you are, a very credible scientist talking about how vaccines may stop transmission 'almost completely' - the first example after a quick google search:

Dr Mary Ramsay of PHE talking on the today programme in March this year
www.standard.co.uk/news/health/covid-vaccine-results-public-health-england-b921793.html

First line:
Britain’s Covid-19 vaccines may stop people passing on the virus “almost completely”, the head of immunisation at Public Health England has revealed.

@HarrietOh

This is really bizarre, that some people thought vaccinating children was a conspiracy theory? Now it's happening it's a case of 'HA! See! Told you!' - but I don't see how vaccinating children is some great conspiracy theory??

It really isn't, is it?

Did you read the article you linked @ArnoldtheAngryTapir?

Dr Mary Ramsay said grounds for hope that vaccination may achieve the holy grail of halting community transmission were emerging from new studies.

“What we don’t yet know is how long that might last and whether or not that will be enough to stop the infection spreading more widely in the population over time,” she told Radio 4’s Today on Tuesday

“But there’s really very good signs that this is going to at least reduce infection rates across the population, and hopefully ... prevent people passing it on almost completely if they’ve been vaccinated fully.”

Everyone who's saying "those aren't conspiracy theories" has totally missed the point of the OP. The OP is saying that when people first suggested and/or predicted things like...

1. The virus escaped from a lab in China
2. They would be vaccinating children
3. They would be introducing digital ID to prove your Covid status and this would be linked to you being able to exercise basic freedoms

...they were AT THAT TIME derided as conspiracy theorists/tin-foil hat loons/etc.

The fact that some of these predictions have now either become demonstrably true or have become plausible mainstream opinion* simply shows how malleable some of the posters on here are to unquestioning indoctrination by the mainstream media.

• (e.g. vaccination of children, introduction of Digital ID which is now required to access many large events) ** (e.g. China lab leak theory: inews.co.uk/news/politics/wuhan-lab-leak-explosive-channel-4-documentary-provides-compelling-evidence-supporting-covid-origin-theory-1161167 - NB. not proven, but stated to be "circumstantial yet compelling evidence")

So 95% = 100% and “almost completely” means completely.
Strange.

@ollyollyoxenfree

you make it too easy for me

lol clearly not @IncredulousOne

So, I think that me producing a headline and journal article which state that vaccines are "95% effective in preventing infection" rather conclusively proves my point.

No it doesn't?

You stated that experts claimed the vaccines prevented transmission. I asked for anyone credible stating this. You've failed to provide this?

Go and read the Lancet study

@ArnoldtheAngryTapir

even that isn't saying that transmission is completely stopped

she is saying that there are "good signs" from the early data?

It's not that definite (it isn't usually that definite with this sort of thing)

We do know however that the vaccines have saved thousands upon thousands of lives in the UK by the way, that is a lot more definite.

@ollyollyoxenfree

Also you might want to remember that newspapers articles reporting on scientific articles are not what I asked for - I said credible experts making this claim. Journalists and politicians have continuously mangled and misreported the findings from scientific articles throughout the pandemic.

Not that it's relevant as it doesn't even prove your point anyway!

Once again, go and read the Lancet study. That's credible experts publishing the claim in a peer-reviewed journal.

well, we vaccinate children for all sorts of things - generally seen as a boon of modern medicine

escaped from a lab - people have wondered that from the start, who knows.

vaccine passports - again, not much to British taste but people have complied with lockdown etc

on the other hand

people wanting to hang nurses and murder doctors - now that is batshit

@ollyollyoxenfree

Did you read the article you linked *@ArnoldtheAngryTapir*?

Dr Mary Ramsay said grounds for hope that vaccination may achieve the holy grail of halting community transmission were emerging from new studies.

“What we don’t yet know is how long that might last and whether or not that will be enough to stop the infection spreading more widely in the population over time,” she told Radio 4’s Today on Tuesday

“But there’s really very good signs that this is going to at least reduce infection rates across the population, and hopefully ... prevent people passing it on almost completely if they’ve been vaccinated fully.”

Of course I read it and I listened to Dr Ramsay at the time.

Just because she also says she doesn't know how long protection will last doesn't detract from the fact she also stated the vaccines may stop people passing on the virus “almost completely” which is what the media and many people picked up on.

As a result of statements like this earlier in the year (by the head of immunisation at PHE in this case) many people now feel that the vaccines aren't as good as we were told they could be re: stopping transmission.