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Virus Passed On By Just A Few Seconds Exposure

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Flaxmeadow · 21/06/2021 06:48

Why we should still be cautious? News report on how infectious.

Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) Tweeted: “NO MORE THAN MERE SECONDS” of exposure in 10-60 centimeters where one man triggers several #DeltaVariant infections with brief “fleeting” contact. Thousands of shoppers at NSW🇦🇺 mass tested. Delta called “near & present danger”.

HT @lizziepearl. #COVID19
t.co/NFg1RwMnVD twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1406779894785351688?s=20

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3luckystars · 21/06/2021 08:17

Did he have a mask on?

UnmentionedElephantDildo · 21/06/2021 08:17

@LIZS

But unless the "victim" had no other contacts during the potential transmission period it is not proven. Were they immediately removed to a bubble?!
This will depend on sequencing and looking at the family lineage of the virus.

Yes, it would be possible to establish to a very high degree of confidence the link

LazenbyLane · 21/06/2021 08:17

Ok, Marsha - so less than a metre and one minute, if the Australian news is true. It would still impact on the rules in schools.

I work with schools, many of them are using two metres and open windows for staff meetings and other meetings to keep adults as safe as possible and therefore schools open.

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Flaxmeadow · 21/06/2021 08:19

LIZS
But unless the "victim" had no other contacts during the potential transmission period it is not proven. Were they immediately removed to a bubble?!

The infected person passed it on to numerous random people, who didn't know each other, in the shopping centre. His walking about the shops was caught on CCTV. The virus was genomically sequenced by scientists and found to be the exact same in him as in all the infected.

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MarshaBradyo · 21/06/2021 08:19

@LazenbyLane

Ok, Marsha - so less than a metre and one minute, if the Australian news is true. It would still impact on the rules in schools.

I work with schools, many of them are using two metres and open windows for staff meetings and other meetings to keep adults as safe as possible and therefore schools open.

What do you want it changed to?

Sounds crazy to me this is an outlier event. You do see that?

UnmentionedElephantDildo · 21/06/2021 08:20

@Bluntness100

Um it’s clearly not that transmissable, my daughter was sitting next to a woman on a train who didn’t wear a mask and got the Covid alert. She didn’t get it, and she sat next to her for a couple of hours.

Very obviously it’s not that transmissable. The infection rates prove it.

Please read up on the K number!

This sort of thing is wholly to be expected with a virus with a K below 1 (covid estimates range 0.5 - 1.0) and does not mean it's not readily infectious in the sense that it can transmit rapidly through a population

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Flaxmeadow · 21/06/2021 08:20

Not sure if genomically is even word, but anyway

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strangeshapedpotato · 21/06/2021 08:26

@Bluntness100

Um it’s clearly not that transmissable, my daughter was sitting next to a woman on a train who didn’t wear a mask and got the Covid alert. She didn’t get it, and she sat next to her for a couple of hours.

Very obviously it’s not that transmissable. The infection rates prove it.

And car crashes never happen either - I drove all the way from London to Manchester yesterday and didn't hit a thing.
3luckystars · 21/06/2021 08:28

Ok, so an unmasked shopper, indoors, passed an airborne virus on to other unmasked shoppers.

deydododatdodontdeydo · 21/06/2021 08:28

That guy is a complete fraudster and posts some right batshit crap on twitter.
Ignore.

LazenbyLane · 21/06/2021 08:32

Marsha, I've not even gone done the road of 'changed to' - not my job to make changes, I just act on the rules when I meet with schools.

My thoughts were very much if this is true and that SD isn't going to prevent the spread ...then there are implications. The government will either address them, or not.

One would be, if this information is true, that a school would close by default because there wouldn't be enough staff or children.

Sunshinegirl82 · 21/06/2021 08:33

I thought this was a known thing about Covid? I read an article by Adam Kucharski on K factor and how COVID spreads quite a while ago (if memory serves he put forward a very good argument for backwards contact tracing to identify superspreaders but that's by the by!)

Most people pass it on to no one (anecdotally I know of lots of cases where one member of a household tested positive but no one else in the household caught it despite living as normal and being in repeated close contact).

There are some superspreader events but these are much less common. The possibility of superspreader events is known about and has been since quite early on so I don't think this really changes anything practically.

bishbashbosh99 · 21/06/2021 08:41

I probably wrong but I've only heard of cases like this in Australian, from a few people which is suspicious at worst and just weird at best

AfternoonToffee · 21/06/2021 08:45

I think this shows more what happens when you put what is in essence a novel virus in the middle of a completely previously unaffected community and that with all the will in the world governments are still at the mercy of nature.

ATieLikeRichardGere · 21/06/2021 08:47

No one should follow Eric Feigl-Ding unless you are prepared to also follow the parody account.

Peanutbuttercupisyum · 21/06/2021 08:48

Tbh I no longer care if it’s passed on via email or a phone call. Or through walls. The old, vulnerable and most adults are vaccinated. We can’t live like this any longer, let’s take our chances and move on.

MarshaBradyo · 21/06/2021 08:51

@LazenbyLane

Marsha, I've not even gone done the road of 'changed to' - not my job to make changes, I just act on the rules when I meet with schools.

My thoughts were very much if this is true and that SD isn't going to prevent the spread ...then there are implications. The government will either address them, or not.

One would be, if this information is true, that a school would close by default because there wouldn't be enough staff or children.

It can be true as in it happened here but it still doesn’t mean rules should it will be changed. If it did happen we already know about transmission of variant here and base rules on that.
Heneage · 21/06/2021 08:51

Anything With That Many Capitals is Always Utter Bollocks.

PickAChew · 21/06/2021 08:53

Shit Let's Stay At Home And Weld Our Doors Shut!

GiantToadstool · 21/06/2021 08:53

Not looking at the particular link but have been following some of the news around Australia.

I was one of the ones who caught covid in January with no idea how (similar to person mentioned above but that wasn't me.) I am high bmi and several cv conditions so we hadn't been in shops (Tesco delivery), didn't send kids to school on that day in January (had told school we wouldn't be for the foreseable but it only turned out to be one day.)

Only thing we did do was walking outdoors and we did that everyday. We were walking where other people were though, so I can only think someone coughed near me/ I was closer to someone than I thought/maybe walked in the stream behind someone.

When the covid people rang everysingle one of them said they regularly heard of cases like this (older people shielding who caught it outside etc) although it was obviously a tiny minority.

However as far as we are aware noone in my house caught it from me. I started several threads at the time as was completely baffled.

It obviously isn't usually the case or everyone standing outside a school would catch it etc but it certainly made me interested in Australia now saying it's possible.

3luckystars · 21/06/2021 08:55

‘I think this shows more what happens when you put what is in essence a novel virus in the middle of a completely previously unaffected community and that with all the will in the world governments are still at the mercy of nature.‘

I agree and think Australia has been living a fairly normal life and have not experienced what other countries have.

If the shopper was unmasked, indoors, of course it would spread. This is not news.

AliceLivesHere · 21/06/2021 09:00

How many orgasms cannot the ultra worried/cautious etc get from this story. Lock down forever

Quartz2208 · 21/06/2021 09:00

I read somewhere that basically said that it’s just as well the delta variant didn’t come sooner because lockdowns aren’t as effective but vaccines (and natural immunity) are working. If it had landed here 4 weeks later we would have been better. Europe need to work fast to get vaccines in before it takes hold

Australia on the other hand has neither a high vaccination or much natural immunity and therefore I think might struggle. They need to get vaccination in fast

AliceLivesHere · 21/06/2021 09:01

can!

Bloody hell cannot even get my annoyance out correctly

AnnaForbes · 21/06/2021 09:12

Eric Feigl-Ding is a shill. He campaigned heavily for school closures and then quietly relocated his family overseas so his son could continue enjoying school in person.

Similar to the us and them situation here.

Ignore him.