Another one?

[Parthena]

God it just goes on and on. Who would seriously be able to stomach another lockdown

@EmergencyHydrangea

If anyone was paying attention Whitty said at the beginning of all this it would probably take two years so I don't know why anyone is surprised

Because I'd rather listen to Boris, I'm sure he said it would all be over by Christmas.

@PurpleDaisies

Here you go: full transcript of Boris address to the nation. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52011928

That is why people will only be allowed to leave their home for the following very limited purposes:
…
One form of exercise a day - for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household

The legislation never said that though. I know Johnson and various other ministers did say things like that, but the law in England didn't reflect it. There was never a limitation to one form of exercise a day in the regulations. Completely understandable that people would get confused though.

@BoaCunstrictor maybe people commenting are from Wales? Exercise once a day was written into legislation here. People got police visits for walking their dogs twice. In the Christmas lockdown non essentials were defined and taped off for months. A lot of England's guidelines were law here.

[quote GiveMeNovocain]@BoaCunstrictor maybe people commenting are from Wales? Exercise once a day was written into legislation here. People got police visits for walking their dogs twice. In the Christmas lockdown non essentials were defined and taped off for months. A lot of England's guidelines were law here.[/quote]
The poster I'm responding to wouldn't be referencing Johnsons speech if they were, as it wasn't him making the Welsh regulations. That made it clear they were discussing England.

The legislation never said that though. I know Johnson and various other ministers did say things like that, but the law in England didn't reflect it. There was never a limitation to one form of exercise a day in the regulations. Completely understandable that people would get confused though.

Posters were saying it was a myth we were told to only exercise once a day. Clearly that was wrong because the prime minister said it to the nation. It was being discussed in the same way as the myth about only exercising for an hour a day which never appeared in any guidance or any such announcement to the public.

This wasn’t a discussion about what was technically legal but still against the “rules” issued by the government.

@PurpleDaisies

The legislation never said that though. I know Johnson and various other ministers did say things like that, but the law in England didn't reflect it. There was never a limitation to one form of exercise a day in the regulations. Completely understandable that people would get confused though.

Posters were saying it was a myth we were told to only exercise once a day. Clearly that was wrong because the prime minister said it to the nation. It was being discussed in the same way as the myth about only exercising for an hour a day which never appeared in any guidance or any such announcement to the public.

This wasn’t a discussion about what was technically legal but still against the “rules” issued by the government.

The important thing here and what I'm trying to make clear is that those were not rules. It doesn't become a rule because Boris Johnson says it. There's no obligation. Because there was so much confusion I think it's vital to spell that out.

First thought bog off but scanned thread quickly and I’m glad full quote is there

This is one Professor not SAGE his one opinion. And used the words miserable winter which isn’t very specific - ie which restrictions?

Professor Semple called it the "fourth wave winter" but added it would be much milder than the previous ones.

Where does he say lockdown? The link didn’t work so I couldn’t see if it was in rest of article

The important thing here and what I'm trying to make clear is that those were not rules. It doesn't become a rule because Boris Johnson says it. There's no obligation. Because there was so much confusion I think it's vital to spell that out.

It is absolutely crazy to pretend that it was a myth that people were told by public health and the government to only leave home to exercise once a day. That was clearly what was being said.

Ok they’ve joined PHE on to SAGE expert

This was the other quote

But Dr Hopkins, the director for Covid-19 at Public Health England, said Britain needed to move to a situation where we can “live with this” in the longer term.

She told The Andrew Marr Show: “I think that means that we wouldn't normally put people into lockdown for severe cases of influenza.

*We may have to do further lockdowns this winter, I can't predict the future – it really depends on whether the hospitals start to become overwhelmed at some point.

“But I think we will have alternative ways to manage this through vaccination, through antivirals, through drugs, through testing, that we didn't have last winter, and all of those things allow us different approaches, rather than restrictions on lives and restrictions on livelihoods, that will move us forward into the next phase of learning to live with this as an endemic, as something that happens as part of the respiratory viruses.”

So neither quote has same meaning as that click bait headline

@PurpleDaisies

The important thing here and what I'm trying to make clear is that those were not rules. It doesn't become a rule because Boris Johnson says it. There's no obligation. Because there was so much confusion I think it's vital to spell that out.

It is absolutely crazy to pretend that it was a myth that people were told by public health and the government to only leave home to exercise once a day. That was clearly what was being said.

What I'm posting about is the indisputable fact that it was never a rule in England, thus that's the incorrect terminology to use and contributes to confusion. By all means argue the use of the term myth with the people using it, ie not me.

What I'm posting about is the indisputable fact that it was never a rule in England

I would dispute that. It was clearly a rule. It wasn’t a law.

Here is the definition of a rule if that helps.
A of a set of explicit or understood regulations or principles governing conduct or procedure within a particular area of activity.

@PurpleDaisies

Here is the definition of a rule if that helps. A of a set of explicit or understood regulations or principles governing conduct or procedure within a particular area of activity.

Which demonstrably doesn't apply here. What you were talking about governed nothing at all and was not explicit or understood given that some people mistakenly believed themselves obliged to follow it and others knew they weren't.

It was not a rule, and you shouldn't use that terminology.

It was not a rule, and you shouldn't use that terminology.

Thank you for that advice which I will be ignoring.

Excellent, you crack on and do everything you can to confuse people. That's the spirit. Meanwhile, it was still never a rule and you clearly know you've no argument or you'd be making it.

@BoaCunstrictor

Excellent, you crack on and do everything you can to confuse people. That's the spirit. Meanwhile, it was still never a rule and you clearly know you've no argument or you'd be making it.

There is an argument. I have made it. There’s a difference between what was set out as the rules of the lockdown and what was actually mandated in law.

Clearly we are not going to agree and there’s no point wasting any more time here.

This discussion is totally moot anyway. This is about what the situation was a few months ago. Those rules don’t even apply any more.

There isn't an argument. There are failed attempts at an argument, which is different. Your use of the term rule is factually incorrect, as the definition you provided indicates, and it will remain important for that to be corrected for as long as you keep doing it.

Also, I wish it was moot, but given that there may be more lockdowns before this is over, it's unfortunately highly relevant to distinguish between rules and things that politicians say that are not rules at all. There are no 'rules of lockdown' other than what the law mandates.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57583733
A&Es 'overwhelmed' by children with mild winter viruses, doctors warn

The warning from doctors comes after the RCPCH collated data and the views of paediatricians in emergency departments across the UK.

It found children coming to A&E are mostly under the age of five - but they do not have coronavirus.

In most cases, their fevers, coughs and runny noses are caused by other respiratory infections such as RSV, bronchiolitis, the common cold and paraflu.

After disappearing last winter during lockdown when no-one was mixing in large numbers, these viruses have reappeared in the summer - but at winter levels, putting huge pressure on emergency departments in hospitals.

For most youngsters, treatment with children's paracetamol or ibuprofen will make them feel better after a few days.

The article says that 72% aren't seriously unwell.

Tbh this story isn't about A&E though. Its actually about all these really restrictive GPs who need a kick up the arse because parents need to see someone face to face for the reassurance as much as anything.

Its interesting to see this story emerging so quickly after the SAGE warnings.

This will be a major driver of the desire to get rid of restrictions on 19th July and the single biggest reason it WILL happen because its needed.

What a worry that we are seeing this now, in summer.

If we are opening everything up now and everyone is mixing, is there a reason why these viruses and colds etc. Will suddenly start spreading in winter? You can catch them any time of year, surely the rise will be over summer when everyone is out and about? Sorry if this is a silly question, am genuinely wondering.

@thenonsensepotter

If we are opening everything up now and everyone is mixing, is there a reason why these viruses and colds etc. Will suddenly start spreading in winter? You can catch them any time of year, surely the rise will be over summer when everyone is out and about? Sorry if this is a silly question, am genuinely wondering.

People spend much more time indoors with poor ventilation in winter. Perfect conditions for passing on respiratory viruses.

I guess it’s normally winter as people are inside more? To be honest I’m not sure the the other reasons. I always feel more run down in winter, lack of sunshine, light etc. Not sure if Vitamin D plays a part. I supplement in winter though

@Delatron

What a worry that we are seeing this now, in summer.

No. Its a good thing as it is inevitable

It happening now makes it easier to manage.