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Another one?

135 replies

Parthena · 20/06/2021 17:53

God it just goes on and on. Who would seriously be able to stomach another lockdown

Another one?
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GiveMeNovocain · 21/06/2021 08:46

Only being allowed out once a day was the law in Wales. We also couldn't buy non essentials in supermarkets for months. Not everyone lives in England.

I'm completely done with it all and the NHS will have had nearly 2 years to plan for this winter. We simply can't afford another lockdown. The cost of increasing inequality alone will cost lives and health. We need to look beyond Covid.

Delatron · 21/06/2021 09:03

So at @strangeshapedpotato it is not good for babies and small children to be exposed to common colds and viruses (not talking serious ones) in their first few years off life?

I’ll have to disagree (as would most of the medical world)

By being exposed to milder illnesses and gaining immunity then they are less likely to suffer serious effects from these illnesses in the future. Unless you’d like all children to stay in a protective sterile bubble?

I really don’t know what you are arguing for? Non exposure to any germs or illnesses ever? Like that is a possibility l?!

Delatron · 21/06/2021 09:05

Of life

TheKeatingFive · 21/06/2021 09:07

Yeah good luck with compliance for that.

RocheLobe · 21/06/2021 09:16

Well lockdown is what we do now. Apparently there are no other options, no alternatives. In over a year after the first lockdown was brought in as an emergency measure, no other measures have been put in place.

MichelleScarn · 21/06/2021 11:05

*08:20strangeshapedpotato

MichelleScarn

Your immune system doesn't need fucking practise.

Is that not the point of a vaccine?

Not in the slightest.

In fact you're effectively suggesting that vaccines are pointless - all our immune systems need to do is practise against other things and they'll miraculously gain immunity to new infections.

The "all over the news" stories that you are referring to are because there's a chance that infections will be compressed into a shorter time period. Instead of people catching the virus earlier in the year, it's delayed by social distancing.*

What?.. nope. I asked what i assumed was a simple question, did not suggest "all vaccines are pointless" or post anything about "all over the news".

Like @Delatron l really don't know what you are arguing about. Or understand your rant at me.

OnTheBrink1 · 21/06/2021 11:19

@strangeshapedpotato you win the prize for the most fucking dumb statement on the internet today.
‘The immune system doesn’t need practice’ ladies and gentlemen. My god. I despair for the future of humanity.

SummerHouse · 21/06/2021 11:41

@PurpleDaisies

You could go out as many times as you wanted before, there was nothing stopping you, and the "once a day" exercise was a complete urban myth.

Once a day was part of the official lockdown rules. The “only one hour” was a myth. I didn’t pay any attention to the once a day exercise limit thing. I live rurally and it didn’t make any sense when you literally see no one when you’re out.

Totally. There were lots of myths but once a day was very real. The recent "stay local" myth was very annoying!
Delatron · 21/06/2021 12:14

The once a day myth (mainly perpetuated on here) was so annoying because I believed it for a few weeks and wouldn’t go out for a run for example id I’d taken the dog or kids out. Ridiculous! I was ridiculous for believing what I read on here!

PurpleDaisies · 21/06/2021 12:38

@Delatron

The once a day myth (mainly perpetuated on here) was so annoying because I believed it for a few weeks and wouldn’t go out for a run for example id I’d taken the dog or kids out. Ridiculous! I was ridiculous for believing what I read on here!
It was a real thing. Official government guidance. Not a myth. Confused
PurpleDaisies · 21/06/2021 12:41

Here you go: full transcript of Boris address to the nation.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52011928

That is why people will only be allowed to leave their home for the following very limited purposes:

One form of exercise a day - for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household

helpmebeanadult · 21/06/2021 12:44

The once a day thing was for exercise. You could go out again for essentials.

www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-address-to-the-nation-on-coronavirus-23-march-2020

helpmebeanadult · 21/06/2021 12:45

Sorry @PurpleDaisies we crossed there.

helpmebeanadult · 21/06/2021 12:46

*crossposted

Snapemalloy · 21/06/2021 12:49

People need to get it into their heads that "learning to live with covid" doesn't mean getting rid of all restrictions. It literally means accepting restrictions as part of daily life for the forseeable future.

If you don't like that (I certainly don't), time to think about the alternatives.

TheMotherlode · 21/06/2021 12:57

Your immune system doesn't need fucking practise

Yes it does, this is quite literally how the immune system works Confused

RedToothBrush · 21/06/2021 13:12

Full quote:

On Sunday morning, Professor Semple told Times Radio: "I suspect we'll have a pretty miserable winter because the other respiratory viruses are going to come back and bite us quite hard. But after that, I think we'll be seeing business as normal next year.

"There's a sting in the tail after every pandemic, because social distancing will have reduced exposure, particularly of pregnant women and their newborn babies, they will have not been exposed to the usual endemic respiratory viruses.

"The protection that a pregnant woman would give to their unborn child has not occurred.

"So we are going to see a rise in a disease called bronchiolitis, and a rise in community acquired pneumonia in children and in the frail elderly, to the other respiratory viruses for which we don't have vaccines.

"So that's why we're predicting a rough July, August and then a rough winter period."

Professor Semple called it the "fourth wave winter" but added it would be much milder than the previous ones.

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/sage-scientists-say-winter-lockdowns-20860606

I don't think this is a shock.

We knew this was likely the case. We knew this winter would be tough. Its like 'fresher flu' - lots of people who haven't had contact with others for a long time are more likely to get ill.

But a) he stresses that its expected b) these alternative illnesses only affect particularly vulnerable groups c) its much milder than the issues we have had over the last 18months.

The scaremongering on this is off the scale.

In the majority of cases for young children its treatable, even though its not preventable. Its a bit more complex for the frail elderly due to co-morbidities. But it probably will put more strain than usual on hospital beds especially with covid still floating about.

RocheLobe · 21/06/2021 13:21

I’ve always been more concerned about bronchiolitis for my baby born during the pandemic than I was about covid. My older child was hospitalised with bronchiolitis as a result of RSV as a baby, so it was always on my radar. My paediatrics colleagues have been aware that a delayed “bronchy season” was on the cards so it isn’t a big surprise to me.

TheMotherlode · 21/06/2021 16:07

Thanks @RedToothBrush, really helpful to see the full quote and understand the context

jgw1 · 21/06/2021 19:48

[quote OnTheBrink1]@strangeshapedpotato you win the prize for the most fucking dumb statement on the internet today.
‘The immune system doesn’t need practice’ ladies and gentlemen. My god. I despair for the future of humanity.[/quote]
Don't despair. But a virus we haven't practiced for will see us all off sooner or later.

RedToothBrush · 21/06/2021 20:08

A virus?

Or resistance to antibiotics given we haven't developed new ones in years and investment in the area has been far below what it should have been?

strangeshapedpotato · 21/06/2021 20:20

@TheMotherlode

Your immune system doesn't need fucking practise

Yes it does, this is quite literally how the immune system works Confused

No - your immune system remembers previous infections which allows it to provide an immune response against future, similar antigens.

I find it quite incredible that after all the attention that vaccines and infections have gotten in the last year, that people still believe that it behaves like a muscle and can be trained on things like common colds to make it more resistant to other infections.

strangeshapedpotato · 21/06/2021 20:23

@MichelleScarn

*08:20strangeshapedpotato

MichelleScarn

Your immune system doesn't need fucking practise.

Is that not the point of a vaccine?

Not in the slightest.

In fact you're effectively suggesting that vaccines are pointless - all our immune systems need to do is practise against other things and they'll miraculously gain immunity to new infections.

The "all over the news" stories that you are referring to are because there's a chance that infections will be compressed into a shorter time period. Instead of people catching the virus earlier in the year, it's delayed by social distancing.*

What?.. nope. I asked what i assumed was a simple question, did not suggest "all vaccines are pointless" or post anything about "all over the news".

Like @Delatron l really don't know what you are arguing about. Or understand your rant at me.

I mistakenly replied to your post instead of Delatron's - it was his original silly claim that I was responding to - the idea that if we hadn't gone into lockdown, without actually being exposed to the flu virus, somehow people would have gained immunity to protect against it when it arrives next winter.
EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 21/06/2021 20:32

Well I'm not home schooling again. They can fuck right off

Delatron · 21/06/2021 20:34

@strangeshapedpotato
Seriously? I never said anything like that about flu. Yet again you just make things up. You’ll find that really helps your argument....

I said the experts were saying we could have an issue with flu this year. For flu I didn’t actually specify why. But it will be because we normally base the vaccine on what the predominant strain has been in Australia. That didn’t happen so it’s a bit of a guess.

You are basically twisting what everyone has said. Nobody has said your immune system is a muscle. Nobody has said it needs to practice. They were all your words.

Myself and many others (you know scientists 🙄) have pointed out that for many, including babies, children and pregnant women, it’s not a good thing to not be exposed to the usual common colds and viruses and build up resistance to them.

We are all saying the same thing yet you are constantly misinterpreting and misquoting people. It’s rather strange. Though I see you’re doing on another thread so must be your debating style.