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God it just goes on and on. Who would seriously be able to stomach another lockdown

They won’t have the public buy in and they know it.
They can feel free to shut businesses again and decimate the economy but most people wouldn’t abide by the ‘no household mixing’ rule. I’d have friends and family round if we’ve all had two vaccines. The fear has gone.

They know that and they wouldn’t trash the economy when we know household mixing is where most spread occurs. It would be pointless and wouldn’t work.

They’d need a new long term plan.

@VaguelyInteresting

I’ve heard from ordinary medics that they are very concerned particularly about children this winter, particularly very young ones who have been exposed to next to nothing (comparative to other years) and expect this to mean a very very hard winter for them, if adults around them are vaxxed and mixing and distributing other viruses.

Plus a winter surge of some level is inevitable. Question is how long vaccine acquired immunity holds for, and what’s the tolerance level for community treatment V in-hospital admission in the “sick and probably should be admitted, but probably won’t die if they aren’t”.

Finally- my DM spoke to someone who works on local covid response and they told her at the start of the pandemic they were braced for 2 years of major disruption. Not sure if that was their personal take or an official briefing but tbh I instinctively agreed with them. Just seemed to make sense...

Whether any of this will amount to lockdown or not.... 🤷🏼‍♀️. But personally I’m expecting it to be another bleak winter one way or another, but expect that to be the end of it as a disruptive “pandemic”, before we just absorb it into the “cold and flu” bracket and get on with life.

This absolutely terrifies me for my DS who's 18 months. He's had three colds in his life. Is that not enough ??

Another one?

Another thread gnashing it’s teeth over the same information again? Yes apparently so…

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

You could go out as many times as you wanted before, there was nothing stopping you, and the "once a day" exercise was a complete urban myth.

I know that, you know that, try telling half the posters on here that! I also mean going out for a drive for the sake of it and ignoring the 'stay at home' signs the council had everywhere!

First lockdown? Wasn't it once a day ? Or ah hour a day? You also were not allowed to sit on a bench

Ridiculous times.

I don’t doubt it will be a bad flu year. It’s a worry for respiratory viruses that babies and children would normally have spent the last year or so building up some resistance too. Add in the constant anti-bac gel and yes this winter is a worry. We’ve all been locked away in a sterile bubble.

But with most of the adult (and probably more) population vaccinated by then it’s not Covid that the worry for me.

Sad as it may be, perhaps I am just worn down but yes we would just get on with another lockdown but would do it different this time.

All we want to do is plane travel, finally have the money and time and ....well nothing for seemingly ever. Could whinge it's not fair wah wah wah, but hey ho hum. Wouldn't change or help a thing.

Restrictions this winter as we need to vaccinate the world.

@anewpost my daughter is 2 and catches a cold / cough every other month. Kids catch anything and everything.

@anewpost my 16 month old seems to have had a permanent cold/snotty nose/cough since April. I really hope this helps her immune system come winter as she has only just started mixing with others & visiting places like soft play.

It also terrifies me the thought of what might happen to all these very young children over winter. I definitely anti-bac a lot less these days & try not to clean everything as it's no good for her. She had Covid in March, as did I so we're not worried about that.

@Delatron

I don’t doubt it will be a bad flu year. It’s a worry for respiratory viruses that babies and children would normally have spent the last year or so building up some resistance too. Add in the constant anti-bac gel and yes this winter is a worry. We’ve all been locked away in a sterile bubble.

But with most of the adult (and probably more) population vaccinated by then it’s not Covid that the worry for me.

It’s a worry for respiratory viruses that babies and children would normally have spent the last year or so building up some resistance too

Jesus - this crap is really doing the rounds isn't it.

Your immune system doesn't need fucking practise.

@strangeshapedpotato It’s just basic common sense (and well known in the world of medicine). Babies spend their first year being exposed to many common colds and viruses which builds their immune system. They then build antibodies. It’s not about ‘practice’ 🙄 it’s about building immunity. What do you think happens when you have no exposure to illness to any mild viruses?

If children don’t get exposed to the usual germs and illnesses then that is not a good thing! The scientists are very worried and there was an interesting article on this subject recently.

Plus all the anti bac we use on everything is not good for gut health. A large percentage of our immune system is in our gut.

It’s in the papers today.
Medics are very worried about a rise in bronchiolitis and community acquired pneumonia this winter. Particularly among children, pregnant women and the frail and elderly. There are no vaccines for these illnesses
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This is down to social distancing reducing exposure. Pregnant women won’t have been exposed to illnesses in pregnancy which would normally have passed antibodies on to the babies.

It really is all over the news and science journals.

But maybe you know better @strangeshapedpotato and the immune system doesn’t need ‘fucking practice’

Think it’s a bit more complicated than that....

Your immune system doesn't need fucking practise.

Is that not the point of a vaccine?

@Delatron

They won’t have the public buy in and they know it. They can feel free to shut businesses again and decimate the economy but most people wouldn’t abide by the ‘no household mixing’ rule. I’d have friends and family round if we’ve all had two vaccines. The fear has gone.

They know that and they wouldn’t trash the economy when we know household mixing is where most spread occurs. It would be pointless and wouldn’t work.

They’d need a new long term plan.

Umm, correction they need a long term plan. Suggesting that they need a new one, would indicate they ever had one. Other than of course being in power and enriching their mates.

@MichelleScarn

Your immune system doesn't need fucking practise.

Is that not the point of a vaccine?

Not in the slightest.

In fact you're effectively suggesting that vaccines are pointless - all our immune systems need to do is practise against other things and they'll miraculously gain immunity to new infections.

The "all over the news" stories that you are referring to are because there's a chance that infections will be compressed into a shorter time period. Instead of people catching the virus earlier in the year, it's delayed by social distancing.

[quote Delatron]@strangeshapedpotato It’s just basic common sense (and well known in the world of medicine). Babies spend their first year being exposed to many common colds and viruses which builds their immune system. They then build antibodies. It’s not about ‘practice’ 🙄 it’s about building immunity. What do you think happens when you have no exposure to illness to any mild viruses?

If children don’t get exposed to the usual germs and illnesses then that is not a good thing! The scientists are very worried and there was an interesting article on this subject recently.

Plus all the anti bac we use on everything is not good for gut health. A large percentage of our immune system is in our gut.[/quote]
This is the "natural herd immunity" bullshit!

So no - it's NOT a good thing for them to be exposed to "viruses". The common cold is no concern, but you listed "viruses" separately which suggests you have grander plans for them. I really hope you don't have children to experiment on.

The only way to gain immunity to a virus, is to be infected by it and recover or to be vaccinated. The latter is how we build up children's immune systems. The only occasion in which the former would make sense is if the virus is innocuous to children, but causes serious problems in - hence the reason for pox parties.

Missed a word:

"The only occasion in which the former would make sense is if the virus is innocuous to children, but causes serious problems in adults - hence the reason for pox parties.

That’s not what anyone had said. Repeated exposure to coronavirus (the common cold) in the first few years of life does help build immunity to other coronavirus so they will be more mild. You’ll be more likely to shake off a cold if you’ve had previous exposure to a similar coronavirus.

When we get flu that helps us build immunity to future flu. We’re not 100% immune but could suffer a milder form in the future.

It’s not about your immune system ‘practicing’ it’s about continual exposure to germs and viruses and your immune system fights these off and builds resistance. Quite often we don’t know that we’ve been exposed.

Social distancing will have affected this. Especially in children. It’s foolish to say otherwise.

Don’t put words in my mouth @strangeshapedpotato I’ve never proposed herd immunity without vaccines for Covid.

I still think being in a sterile bubble for a year is not a good thing for babies and children and I stand by this (as do most medics and scientists).

Sorry I didn’t realise you were a scientist? If you’re not I’ll choose to believe the information I’ve read from scientific papers.

I’ve had enough now. At some point you just have to get on with life.

The common cold is a virus! That’s what I’m talking about. Not some grand plan.

But not being exposed to the common cold as babies isn’t a good thing.

My children are fine. They spent their first few years of life at nursery. Being ill the whole time. Yet now are never ill, haven’t had a day off school for about 6 years...

SAGE experts are the new weathermen. They can say whatever they want. 'Expert warns it could rain tomorrow'.

What's that you say? One of you is in Cornwall the other in Orkney? Ha! No, we don't get bogged down in those details. Details don't get the public to click on our headlines!

@Delatron

Don’t put words in my mouth *@strangeshapedpotato* I’ve never proposed herd immunity without vaccines for Covid.

I still think being in a sterile bubble for a year is not a good thing for babies and children and I stand by this (as do most medics and scientists).

Sorry I didn’t realise you were a scientist? If you’re not I’ll choose to believe the information I’ve read from scientific papers.

You stated it was "good" to expose children to viruses and colds.

That's not putting any words in your mouth so don't start lying.

Science papers... that you seem to have a complete inability to cite - HMM - smells like BULLSHIT to me.

Finally- my DM spoke to someone who works on local covid response and they told her at the start of the pandemic they were braced for 2 years of major disruption. Not sure if that was their personal take or an official briefing but tbh I instinctively agreed with them. Just seemed to make sense...

The WHO and Patrick Vallance (or Chris Whitty) said that Pandemics generally last 18 months to 2 years and back in April last year they said they would expect a series of restrictions and easing of restrictions for probably 18 months, so it's not really inside info.

Why are you surprised? The world isn't vaccinated yet and international travel is still allowed.