All this has to stop. We can’t live like this!

[SweetsMum3]

We need to learn to live with covid like we do with all other viruses, illnesses and diseases. The elderly and high risk are vaccinated… that was the goal, remember?! Like Hancock said, we will cry freedom when the over 70s are vaccinated!

There is no reason for mass testing when the young and healthy get covid mildly. My child is in tears yet again because she isn’t allowed to go to school for 10 days. A few students in her year group tested positive and all students are forced to be locked in their homes… again.

Are the sick?! No. Half have no symptoms. The others have a slight fever and feel a little tired.

This isn’t fair. This isn’t healthy. This isn’t sane. This is harmful and destructive to children. An entire generation has been betrayed. For what exactly? Over a virus which does not affect them. Over fear. Over people being immensely risk-averse. Over loss of control and people can’t take it.

It is time we live our lives and get back to normal before it’s too late. If our children hold us accountable and never forgive us, I will completely understand. We have not stood-up for them. Instead, we cowered in fear not giving a hoot about the collateral damage all these restrictions have caused. Shame on us.

The people have spoken, and the people are saying it's over

Eh?

@PandasCatsWolves

I've had enough of the Ive had enough threads !!

Amen.

There won't be an NHS unless this stops.

Someone has to work to pay for it.

Mind you, a lot of people don't want a free NHS.

I have noticed on many threads you seem extremely naive in your support for the government, I guess we just have different views of their performance.

How nice of you. And I have noticed you say government when I say JCVI. Can you not separate the two?

Not everywhere in the US has had schools closed for a year.

It's rubbish but entirely because we tried to carry on as normal and let the Indian variant in

And how many people have died since the Indian variant came in? In spite of being even more highly contagious it's killed hardly anybody.

I'm cev/high risk - yes, had two vaccines but the vaccines may not work effectively on me. I have two young children. Our family (we don't have a big family so no back up if things were to go wrong) is affected detrimentally by all this just as much as everyone else and yes it is hard, having an impact on mental health - it has certainly had an impact on mine! But surely a child losing a parent will affect the child's mental health far more deeply than not being able to go to soft play, on holiday, swimming lessons for a while etc etc.?! Tired of people only seeing things from their perspective, not caring about others, slating others for having a different opinion and not understanding the bigger picture. Mumsnet epitomises all this lack of understanding.

@MarshaBradyo

Abraxan not ok but if you’re going to suggest it’s a possibility as with anything it comes down to numbers.

It's not even as it it'll be forever. We just need a few more weeks to get every adult eligible double vaxxed. In England everyone is now eligible to book, so within 10 weeks or so they should have managed to get both vaccines.

Hopefully once we reach the point of all those eligible having the chance to be double basses then the isolation rules can be relaxed. Maybe replaced with PCR testing on day 2 and day 10 perhaps. Not sure I'd want to rely on LFTs in a crowded poorly ventilated work place, but PCRs would be better than them.

And a massive culture change in the country to ensure that people who are feeling ill should be staying at home rather than spreading their bugs around. More flexibility to work from home, and access education materials at home, would help this to an extent.

I'd personally like to see 16+ all offered the vaccine and I'm not against teenagers being vaccinated either. I'm not sure about younger children myself as I haven't read too much about it, not having a young child.

TBH I don't have a big issue with different rules for fully vaccinated adults once all have been offered the chance for both vaccines (so in about another 8-10 weeks) but I can't see us going down that line. The government appears to be against different rules for vaccinated and unvaccinated people. But tbh I wouldn't object if that happened, providing unvaccinated groups (thinking more of those who aren't eligible due to health conditions or age) could circumvent the rules with regular testing,

Totally agree op

The world does seem to be full of selfish people who I presume have no social life anyway and are living lockdown

These introverts probable love restrictions

You can see the same shit being posted everyday

All the vulnerable offered vacvination

Job done

Open up and accept that people do die

It says sad but that’s life

We don’t have the app or test because we can’t afford to get a positive or be told to isolate

Agree with you. Madness

The effects of the lock down are far more serious than the effects of the virus

Only time will tell and only in time will we realise the sheer devastation caused to non-covid sufferers

MarshaBradyo

I am saying that certain groups have always put pressure on the government to lift restrictions, whether they have been in the majority or not.

You said that they are only doing it because they are in the majority, this is wrong.

As for saying the majority wanting restrictions lifted, this is something that we just don't know.

[quote SweetsMum3]@HSHorror

Unmasked kids? As masks do anything at all to stop the spread of an aerosolized virus.

We have herd immunity. Those who have had covid + those adults who have been vaccinated. The only thing that matters is that the elderly and high risk are vaccinated. The goal was to stop severe symptoms not eradicate covid because it’s impossible!

We can now live our lives fully and yes, socialize![/quote]
any proof yet OP that we've reached herd immunity?

I agree, its pathetic. Just walked into a restaurant and asked to wear a mask until we were at the table. A half hearted effort from us. Meal consumed maskless and no mask on the way out.

Its utter nonsense.

I agree that a lot of us have had enough now. I’ve had both vaccines (somewhat reluctantly) because it was the “right” thing to do. But it feels like it’s making no difference!

However, I am also a bit fed up of hearing that it’s the young that have sacrificed everything. We’ve all sacrificed. It’s been shit for everyone. Both my DC are early 30s. Both lost their jobs due to covid but they are too “old” to qualify for the help that’s being given to young people. Under 25s are getting a lot of investment. Older than that are assumed to be established, have partners etc. Which may be true for many, but also many will be like my DC. Young people have suffered, I don’t deny that. But the majority haven’t had to worry about whether they can keep a roof over their heads or put food on the table.

Also this “well I won’t comply” what does that mean exactly? You can’t take your child to a school that’s closed. You can’t go against any restrictions that restaurants or whatever have in place, they’ll just kick you out. I can’t just pick up my passport and travel abroad (much as I’d like to). We don’t have a choice. I would love it if we could all go back to normal tomorrow but we can’t. So we can rant all we want. It won’t change anything.

@PracticingPerson waaaaait.

You are the same poster posting links to twitter experts and saying "I want to understand this before I will say confidently that Covid can't harm my children."

Which is all fine and understandable but how does that mesh with:

"I am worried for my kids in particular - other countries are vaccinating children to protect them, the UK government doesn't care if they get sick - and seemingly neither do their parents, which I do not understand."

If you're a fan of lone scientists posting their research on social media like twitter and youtube, pleading for The Scientists to listen to them.... you might want to take a look at what some of them are saying about vaccines?

Maybe start with Dr Robert Malone, inventor of mRNA vaccines...

I'm perplexed at how you could say you need to understand what some rando on twitter is saying about brains while dismissing what some rando on youtube is saying about vaccines. The same vaccines you cannot understand why parents aren't desperate to inject their healthy children with.

@FrippEnos

MarshaBradyo

I am saying that certain groups have always put pressure on the government to lift restrictions, whether they have been in the majority or not.

You said that they are only doing it because they are in the majority, this is wrong.

As for saying the majority wanting restrictions lifted, this is something that we just don't know.

I don’t recall saying that . You’ve lost me.

My point is looking at yougov polls and newspaper comments is skewed as it’s self selecting.

Pressure on MPs will be coming from other directions.

Unfortunately, there is a point where small numbers of fatalities/long term issues has to be accepted. We don't ban motor vehicles because a couple of thousand people die in road accidents. We don't ban smoking because some people die of lung cancer

I never really understand this analogy.

We don’t ban motor vehicles but we have restrictions & regulations as to use - eg training, licensing, mandatory insurance etc. It’s not a free for all. Similarly as regards age, selling & advertising restrictions iro smoking

It’s not a free for all!

What ‘certain’ people YouGov?

It’s owned by a Tory!

I know no one who wants to stop restrictions atm. Including a load of Millennialls and Gen Z.

The Covid Recovery Group keep moaning, as does knob face in charge of Wetherspoons. But they’re just laughable.

If our children hold us accountable and never forgive us, I will completely understand.

The people whinging the most are the adults.

I have been very cautious through this whole pandemic, but now I am inclined to agree with you. Children and the young have suffered enough.

@Teateaandmoretea

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That's so offensive I am shocked that someone would even think to say this. It is offensive not just in relation to mental health but also in regards to people whose opinion differs from yours.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

What ‘certain’ people YouGov?

It’s owned by a Tory!

I know no one who wants to stop restrictions atm. Including a load of Millennialls and Gen Z.

The Covid Recovery Group keep moaning, as does knob face in charge of Wetherspoons. But they’re just laughable.

It doesn’t matter who owns it people who self selecting filling out polls fit a certain type,

Do you fill out polls?

Tbh it's only a small minority on MN too, that still support the let the bodies (Other People's) pile up, do nothing approach.

Most have realised the utter folly (and economic impact) of letting it spread uncontained. They understand that it's about much more than death. The risk of Long Covid is very real. Potential long term disability and permanent loss of livelihood (due to being incapacitated).

I think most people also now get that the reason why we're still in this mess, when other countries are starting to open up, is because we haven't done what they've done. Suppressed and contained. That's what drags it out and prolongs this. Dealing with it - containing it, is what gets us out.

Meanwhile no wonder other countries are restricting entry from the UK. We are a high risk country. There's the danger of a potentially vaccine resistant strain developing amongst mass gathering mingling semi or unvaccinated Brits.

@MarshaBradyo

I have noticed on many threads you seem extremely naive in your support for the government, I guess we just have different views of their performance.

How nice of you. And I have noticed you say government when I say JCVI. Can you not separate the two?

Yes I understand the role of the JCVI. It will be the government who have the final say after the JCVI advise.

Just as SAGE advised masks should stay in schools, and the government ignored them.