All this has to stop. We can’t live like this!

[SweetsMum3]

We need to learn to live with covid like we do with all other viruses, illnesses and diseases. The elderly and high risk are vaccinated… that was the goal, remember?! Like Hancock said, we will cry freedom when the over 70s are vaccinated!

There is no reason for mass testing when the young and healthy get covid mildly. My child is in tears yet again because she isn’t allowed to go to school for 10 days. A few students in her year group tested positive and all students are forced to be locked in their homes… again.

Are the sick?! No. Half have no symptoms. The others have a slight fever and feel a little tired.

This isn’t fair. This isn’t healthy. This isn’t sane. This is harmful and destructive to children. An entire generation has been betrayed. For what exactly? Over a virus which does not affect them. Over fear. Over people being immensely risk-averse. Over loss of control and people can’t take it.

It is time we live our lives and get back to normal before it’s too late. If our children hold us accountable and never forgive us, I will completely understand. We have not stood-up for them. Instead, we cowered in fear not giving a hoot about the collateral damage all these restrictions have caused. Shame on us.

@345tyu

There should have never been any lockdowns and restrictions. We have examples of plenty of countries who either never locked down or paid a lip service to it all. At this point they are not plagued by variants and their people are scarcely vaccinated.

This is false.

It’s a few more weeks

Now where have i heard that before?

@BonnieDundee

It’s a few more weeks

Now where have i heard that before?

It's few more weeks until all the adults are offered vaccination. It's few more weeks until the school will be closed for summer holiday. Both will have effect on transmission.

It's few more weeks until all the adults are offered vaccination. It's few more weeks until the school will be closed for summer holiday. Both will have effect on transmission.

And if they hadn't said it repeatedly over the past 15 months maybe people would be accepting of that

It's few more weeks until all the adults are offered vaccination. It's few more weeks until the school will be closed for summer holiday. Both will have effect on transmission.

.... And then a few more weeks until all the adults have had their second vaccination, and a few more until we've vaccinated the teenagers, then a few more weeks to do the autumn boosters, then maybe we should have restrictions just whilst the flu season is on us.

“What we don't need is to fuck it all up again, by allowing the risk of a potentially vaccine resistant strain to develop amongst un or semi vaccinated people

We're getting there. It would be incredibly foolish to mess up at this stage. Throw away the advantage. Stupid and dangerous.”

@Tealightsandd

Oh god the threat of another “Scariant”. Seriously, stay home for your sake and ours. We’ll get back to living our lives knowing there is always a risk. Life is full of risks. We don’t shut down the country causing immense damage which will last years because of them.

I think we should all stop testing healthy children and get back to normal, all these threats on here, it just seems like we are being bullied, guilt trip or petrified into complying but other members of society don’t have to follow the rules.

@Passthesauce I really feel for you. Even before the shitshow of covid, it took us 5 years to get a diagnosis - and it has done nothing! I truly hope you get a better outcome.

I see the whole c19 thing now as a mass vaccination drive - they can't push the vaccine unless we in an emergency state so will keep pushing the vaccine until all have been jabbed.

Meanwhile balls to everything else. My son is isolating yet again despite wearing masks every day doing what's required, because another child has had a positive lft - what's the point? Meanwhile he's watching the football etc and even he at 13 says the system isn't fair.

There is even a thread on here I've read saying that a lot of the football supporters haven't even tested. 🤦‍♀️ and we all know you could lie about a lft test...

It makes no sense, was it 9 deaths yesterday (which is awful) but out of a population of almost 70 million it's a tiny proportion

I suspect though we will all be back in lockdown for autumn/winter and Christmas with a vaccine resistant strain or something (I hope I am wrong though!)

@beela

It's few more weeks until all the adults are offered vaccination. It's few more weeks until the school will be closed for summer holiday. Both will have effect on transmission.

.... And then a few more weeks until all the adults have had their second vaccination, and a few more until we've vaccinated the teenagers, then a few more weeks to do the autumn boosters, then maybe we should have restrictions just whilst the flu season is on us.

This is exactly why I’m so deeply worried now. What’s next.

I’m not quite sure how we all so easily accepted the moving of the goalposts once all the over 70s and vulnerable were double vaccinated…

‘A few more weeks’ wouldn’t make any significant difference.

The adults vaccinated in these weeks would be very low risk to begin with.

If you’re worried about scariants, the remaining unvaxxed adult population in the U.K. is a teeny drop in a vast ocean. We’ll have the vast majority of the rest of the world available as a pool. Not to mention all the under 16s in the U.K. That will go on for years.

So it just sounds like a delaying tactic. Of which no doubt there will be another, then another.

Well if there’s going to be another lockdown you might as well make the most of the summer.

@BonnesVacances

This thread is like a car crash. The utter stupidity of some people is really depressing. No wonder you're struggling so much with the restrictions if you believe all the shite you read. I do think people would cope better if they tried to educate themselves and stopped believing info bandied about as if they were facts.

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It’s a few more weeks

It’s not though, is it? No one has ever said what the route out of isolating perfectly healthy contacts of positive cases is. There is no roadmap set out for how we get back from this ridiculous situation. They’re only now just talking about maybe dropping it for double vaccinated adults if they do daily tests. When is it going to stop for children like my 3 year old DC? They’re not going to be vaccinated any time soon. It’s certainly not just going to be a “few more weeks” and nobody other than those in the immediate situation gives a shit, so forgive me if I no longer give a shit about other people’s’ situations either. Millions of us have had to fuck up our lives to protect others, and those others come back time and time again to call us selfish for daring to find it difficult.

@JeanClaudeVanDammit

It’s a few more weeks

It’s not though, is it? No one has ever said what the route out of isolating perfectly healthy contacts of positive cases is. There is no roadmap set out for how we get back from this ridiculous situation. They’re only now just talking about maybe dropping it for double vaccinated adults if they do daily tests. When is it going to stop for children like my 3 year old DC? They’re not going to be vaccinated any time soon. It’s certainly not just going to be a “few more weeks” and nobody other than those in the immediate situation gives a shit, so forgive me if I no longer give a shit about other people’s’ situations either. Millions of us have had to fuck up our lives to protect others, and those others come back time and time again to call us selfish for daring to find it difficult.

This better be addressed otherwise time to go postal. Not sure what it entails but children isolation and adults not is unconscionable

The other thing that strikes me is that as a global pandemic - why are poorer countries being left. It's all about money and greed.

It's shit and not a fair playing field. Covid will never go away. Plane loads come in every day from other countries, but we can't go really anywhere.

Bloody vips, mps etc carry on as normal

I am just over it now. I have health anxiety too and originally I was petrified, but now I'm at the point of if I get it, I get it, I just want life to go back to normal now.

It's already creating a two tier society of the unjabbed versus the jabbed. Why are they thinking of relaxing quarantine rules for double jabbed? It doesn't stop the spread or transmission fully... 18 year olds only just offered first jab too so that's another year gone. It must be awful being this age as they are in limbo. Paying for accommodation they haven't been using, university courses all up in the air, a levels being self taught, it goes on and on.

None of it makes sense anymore. It's carrot after carrot and no end goal in sight.

@CantGetNoSleep73 exactly children should be exempt from the silly rules. Well I’m making my child exempt and if there is going to be another lockdown anyway, why bother following the rules 🤷‍♀️ Plane loads of people coming in daily from all over the place but no let’s blame the children and lock them up.

@AlecTrevelyan006 thank you. I know they didn't all have serious co morbidities. I bet some of the co morbidities weren't even serious
NHS England data - total number of Covid deaths in the 0-19 age group is 41 (33 with known underlying health condition, eight without)
Everyone knows the UK had and has the longest and strictest lockdown.
Remember Spain actually locked up kids at the start. We never did this despite the hyperbole.Hell even with an ECV Dad our kids still went for walks at the start and did more stuff as things were allowed.ok they couldn't hug their Dad but they were not locked up.

35.65 million of the UK population remain unvaccinated.

According to the latest study published by the BMJ
( www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1412 )The absolute risk of hospital admission for all variants is between 4.7% and 3.5%.

Just following the numbers tells us that if all of the unvaccinated contract Covid then @ 14.62million would need to be to be hospitalised.

Those hospitalisations are in addition to non Covid related hospital admissions which are already @ 18 million pa. 92% of Drs reported that the NHS (before Covid) was already in a state of ‘year round crisis’.
( www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-support/nhs-delivery-and-workforce/pressures/bed-occupancy-in-the-nhs )
Part of the reason for lockdowns is to manage the demands on the NHS because of these horrible statistics.

And before anyone leaps in to tell me that not all unvaccinated people will contract Covid, I do know that, as do the government, but decisions have to be taken using evidence not emotion. A few million here and there doesn’t make a difference to the fact that the NHS cannot cope with existing demands, let alone Covid admissions.

It should also be noted that a proportion of the vaccinated can still contract Covid, the risk is estimated as 25%. In this group the proportion of those needing hospitalisation is considerably higher than the 4.7 - 3.5% as the risk of hospitalisation doubles with every 16 years of age.
( royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsif.2020.0982 )
Then you need to consider the increased risk of hospitalisations amongst those with serious health conditions
( bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12916-020-01822-4 )

TLDR: We need Covid restrictions to control numbers of hospitalisations and reduce the risk of the NHS being overwhelmed.

I haven’t included the facts that we also want to avoid Long Covid occurring in large numbers, we have no idea what the long term consequences are of Covid such as long term heart damage and we need to reduce the opportunity Covid has to mutate into a more contagious and lethal variant.

I am also aware that there are people who are not interested in evidence and arguments other than that their children miss school and they want to socialise.

Just following the numbers tells us that if all of the unvaccinated contract Covid then @ 14.62million would need to be to be hospitalised.

That’s bollocks, hospitalisation rates were at about 6% overall and that includes all the vulnerable who aren’t even represented in your figures.

Yes that’s fine if everyone follows the rules to stop the spread but it’s not, the virus keep spreading, the same people keep isolating 🤷‍♀️

Well that’s embarassing!

The statistics should be 1.4 million to be hospitalised.

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@TheKeatingFive

Just following the numbers tells us that if all of the unvaccinated contract Covid then @ 14.62million would need to be to be hospitalised.

That’s bollocks, hospitalisation rates were at about 6% overall and that includes all the vulnerable who aren’t even represented in your figures.

As I’ve just posted I made a (just woken up) basic numerical error. But my argument still stands regarding increased demands on the NHS.

As I’ve just posted I made a (just woken up) basic numerical error. But my argument still stands regarding increased demands on the NHS.

They’re not all going to get Covid all at once (obviously).

A sizeable proportion of that total will already have some immunity.

People are getting vaccinated all the time, making those numbers smaller everyday.

The percentage of hospitalisations expected will be much smaller than the historical average because these are young, healthy people we’re talking about.

@SweetsMum3

“What we don't need is to fuck it all up again, by allowing the risk of a potentially vaccine resistant strain to develop amongst un or semi vaccinated people

We're getting there. It would be incredibly foolish to mess up at this stage. Throw away the advantage. Stupid and dangerous.”

@Tealightsandd

Oh god the threat of another “Scariant”. Seriously, stay home for your sake and ours. We’ll get back to living our lives knowing there is always a risk. Life is full of risks. We don’t shut down the country causing immense damage which will last years because of them.

Too right life is full of risks

We live in a soup of goodness knows what risks. We have no idea of what we are walking through and breathing in. It’s impossible to completely keep ourselves safe. Even people who did not go out got covid.
I was poorly yesterday
I suspect a kidney infection which I am susceptible to..

Now then where would I get that from
I have absolutely no idea.
Helmsley market on Friday?
York on Saturday?
I never used any toilets but it came from somewhere.

I felt so poorly yesterday. I nuked it with all the anti virals and anti bacterials in my Arsenal that I carry with me as I know too many antibiotics will ruin my gut biome and then I’ll have a kidney infection and tummy troubles to worry about.
I’ll continue to nuke it today before I drive my home.

Yes life is risky but I’d rather live a life that’s full than one shut away from the world.
That’s what most people would want surely.

The statistics should be 1.4 million to be hospitalised.

It’s not that either. You haven’t accounted for the proportion of the population who have already had covid conferring some immunity. Or the fact that not everyone will catch Covid. Or the fact that some people have changed their own behaviour voluntarily, over and above the actual guidance and will probably continue to do so. Removing restrictions doesn’t mean everyone is going to start going clubbing and coughing in people’s faces on day 1. And you haven’t taken into account that the average hospitalisation rate included those groups who are already double vaccinated, and they are already double vaccinated precisely because they were at higher risk of hospitalisation and death.

Stop chucking statistics around if you’re not going to do some basic QA on them, it undermines your argument.