All this has to stop. We can’t live like this!

[SweetsMum3]

We need to learn to live with covid like we do with all other viruses, illnesses and diseases. The elderly and high risk are vaccinated… that was the goal, remember?! Like Hancock said, we will cry freedom when the over 70s are vaccinated!

There is no reason for mass testing when the young and healthy get covid mildly. My child is in tears yet again because she isn’t allowed to go to school for 10 days. A few students in her year group tested positive and all students are forced to be locked in their homes… again.

Are the sick?! No. Half have no symptoms. The others have a slight fever and feel a little tired.

This isn’t fair. This isn’t healthy. This isn’t sane. This is harmful and destructive to children. An entire generation has been betrayed. For what exactly? Over a virus which does not affect them. Over fear. Over people being immensely risk-averse. Over loss of control and people can’t take it.

It is time we live our lives and get back to normal before it’s too late. If our children hold us accountable and never forgive us, I will completely understand. We have not stood-up for them. Instead, we cowered in fear not giving a hoot about the collateral damage all these restrictions have caused. Shame on us.

I don't actually believe all these posters saying that their children's entire year group has been sent home due to 1 case. My DS attends a large comprehensive, LEA-controlled, they do everything they are told to do by PHE and the DFE, and they do not do this, never have. Close contacts are sent home to self-isolate - there would have to be numerous cases to shut down an entire year group and this hasn't happened so far.

Yeah all those free hospital beds and staff if we didn't contain Covid.... Oh hang on. They're a little bit busy, what with uncontained Covid...

Letting the bodies pile up means no medical care for other illnesses.

Lots of HCP are off sick with Long Covid (and/or PTSD). So let's just make even more of them ill shall we? That will speed up the NHS backlog...or not.

Oh - and a sizeable proportion of HCP are the 'low hanging fruit' another poster charmingly refers to. Dead people can't provide medical care.

Our failure to suppress and contain is why we're in this mess. It won't get better until we deal with it. We're getting there (with vaccinations). We simply need to not fuck it up by letting in or allowing to develop new potentially vaccine resistant strains. Hence the need to suppress and contain.

@MarshaBradyo

clearly don't give a s.... about' strangers' and people, old and young, who may be more vulnerable to covid. This past year has been hard for us all, but it's been made a lot harder by people's total lack of empathy for others who may have a different set of circumstances.

That’s not right though is it. There’s been huge costs for over a year to everyone, and compliance has been high.

What you sat is 100% right, but it detracts from the narrative of the only thing that matters is covid covid covid…..

@MrsLCSofLichfield

I don't actually believe all these posters saying that their children's entire year group has been sent home due to 1 case. My DS attends a large comprehensive, LEA-controlled, they do everything they are told to do by PHE and the DFE, and they do not do this, never have. Close contacts are sent home to self-isolate - there would have to be numerous cases to shut down an entire year group and this hasn't happened so far.

How funny not to be believed.

Of course they can if that 1 case is a staff member who teaches across years. 6 classes not 1 btw.

I'm on my 4th lot of self isolating. I've lost do much of my wages, yet I still have bills to pay.
I cannot cope anymore with this.

I wasn't aware that teachers were automatically defined as a close contact of all pupils they come in contact with. There have been staff absences in my DS's school due to Covid and this hasn't happened.

@bumbleymummy

And the deaths currently being suffered are more likely to be in the younger part of the population as it is mostly the unvaccinated being affected.

I think the majority of the deaths are still occurring in older/vulnerable people(even if they have been double/single jabbed). Yes, proportionally there are more young people contracting it but there doesn't seem to be an increase in actual incidence of serious illness/death in the younger population.

The NHS website shows that around 50% of deaths are over 80 and 80% are over 60. Very very few under 20s circumstances n fact I Bly one under 20 Covid death since March 21. Although given the more recent low daily deaths (10 to 15) it's hard to give a more exact percentage.

www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/06/COVID-19-total-announced-deaths-18-June-2021.xlsx

But the bold post is a good example of how people's perception of risk and fear (ie "the majority of people now dying of Covid are the young and unvaccinated") is completely at odds with the reality of the statistics.

@MrsLCSofLichfield

I wasn't aware that teachers were automatically defined as a close contact of all pupils they come in contact with. There have been staff absences in my DS's school due to Covid and this hasn't happened.

1 min 1 metre apparently. Sounded crazy to me and other parents hence lots of unhappiness about it. But it has happened.

Yabu. It's a pandemic, it's not meant to be fun or easy.

@Honey12346

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Agreed, not to mention it completely misses the point. People are not ranting about covid, they are ranting about the govts ridiculous rules and restrictions that are questionable at best at controlling the spread of covid...

As so clearly demonstrated by the rich and the elite of this country/ world

I said from the very beginning that the wealthy/ serious rich/ elite were having a much, much better lockdown than the rest of us.
How can you compare the single mum with a couple of kids in a tiny flat with no outdoor space to the local laird up the road from us with his huge estate, fabulous lake, walled garden and manicured lawns.

Well, you just can’t.
Anyone could pop up to his stately home , no questions asked. Gates always open.
No snitches or curtain twitchers in his neck of the woods.

And why? Because Boris was too slow to act and let the delta variant in.

This.

@swg1

You are very pointedly ignoring my query about how we have "never" asked so much of our children, OP.

I'm 38. Utterly healthy. If we were back in WW1 or WW2 though teenaged boys would totally be expected to fight for me, and would be shot for desertion for refusing because I have the wrong genitals to be called up.

Older people also would be expected to remain safely at home.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29934965
www.historyextra.com/period/second-world-war/boys-who-lied-about-age-to-fight-ww2-teenage-soldiers/

And here are the children - actual children - who went out and fought. These are the children you are comparing your children with when you say no children have been asked to bear so much. And yes, you are engaged in hyperbole and no, I don't think you expected to be called on it. But I am calling you on it because its offensive and wrong. By engaging in your hyperbole of THE WORST THAT HAS BEEN ASKED OF CHILDREN EVER you are devaluing the sacrifices these children made.

It was horrific, but it’s like saying….

People in Britain should never be depressed or have mental health issues, because there’s millions of people dying of starvation in Africa…. How can we complain about anything?’

We live in this world, right now, in the UK. We didn’t live 100 years ago and we don’t live in Africa, so does that beak no one should complain ever again?

mean

When will people realise that guilt tripping, attempting to shame, labels, etc are working on fewer and fewer people? Nor will all this long Covid fear. It's like people never realised they're going to die of something before this, and that their deaths will be out of their control most of the time and may be at the hands of something or even someone else beyond their control.

I have no idea who gave me the influenza which caused me to get post viral syndrome, who gave us swine flu, who gave me glandular fever that put me in hospital. Maybe someone else died from it. My FIL got influenza despite having had the vaccine and, as he had other health problems, unfortunately, he died.

I have friends whose children died from chickenpox. Rare, but it happened to them. Yet no one blinked an eye when there were outbreaks. I have friends whose children had undergone cancer treatment. One picked up enterovirus at school and it killed her. And cases like that ad infinitum.

This has been happening since time immortal. And it's unfair and it's tragic but you can't eliminate such things at all. I would know.

@1dayatatime
I regularly trawled our local obituaries last year
You were hard pressed to find any or many deaths under 75

I began to think that we should advertise
Come here , for a long healthy life !
which is ironic as my home is in one of the poorest areas of the country.
I would have loved my parents to have died in their 90s from covid .

It's all such bollocks! Kids have well and truly been thrown under the bus constantly throughout this.

The goalposts are constantly moved - what exactly is the end point to all this? First vaccinate the over 65's and vulnerable, now it's becoming everyone? A virus for which most don't even know they have and for most is very mild.

I have 3 children, and 1 dd has asd with very challenging behaviour and she has spiralled. It has been a very difficult year for us as a family and services have used the covid excuse to the hilt not to support. Does nothing else matter now????

If it's bloody football, ascot and g7 - it's all fine, you crack on 🤬The final straw came when I saw all the fans at the footie and then all those that had traveled from Scotland 😞 also the g7 mob taking the piss, when us mere mortals are preached at.

One rule for them...

[quote SlipperyDippery]**@Izzypuss* “a few sacrifices”. Honestly. Have you read the thread? Read about osbertsiberianhamster* and her vulnerable child? Or read the ONS report that tens of thousands of people will be dead in 5 years time because of the effects of lockdown and social distancing? About the care home residents (many of whom died not of covid during the pandemic, having spent the last months of their lives isolated and in many cases confused about why their family had stopped visiting? I could go on and on and on with the examples of human suffering caused by lockdown.

I support the lockdowns by the way and support putting 21 June back. I don’t support minimising the very real suffering that has been caused by our efforts to control the spread of the virus. Lockdown has been utter cruelty.

The fact you think socio economic disadvantage is “crap” says a lot.[/quote]
Again, Slippery Dippery, you've misunderstood me. I have experienced socio economic issues first hand, so I'm aware of the dire effects that lockdown may have for many people. I'm
also aware, first hand, of how the loss of parents at a young age can affect a person for the rest of their lives. What is realy getting me down is the people who are priveleged and complaining about minor sacrifices, no holidays etc and are blind to the tragedies happening in families due to the spread of covid.

Agree. Just fed up now. I've had enough, carrots being dangled week after week.

@osbertthesyrianhamster

When will people realise that guilt tripping, attempting to shame, labels, etc are working on fewer and fewer people? Nor will all this long Covid fear. It's like people never realised they're going to die of something before this, and that their deaths will be out of their control most of the time and may be at the hands of something or even someone else beyond their control.

I have no idea who gave me the influenza which caused me to get post viral syndrome, who gave us swine flu, who gave me glandular fever that put me in hospital. Maybe someone else died from it. My FIL got influenza despite having had the vaccine and, as he had other health problems, unfortunately, he died.

I have friends whose children died from chickenpox. Rare, but it happened to them. Yet no one blinked an eye when there were outbreaks. I have friends whose children had undergone cancer treatment. One picked up enterovirus at school and it killed her. And cases like that ad infinitum.

This has been happening since time immortal. And it's unfair and it's tragic but you can't eliminate such things at all. I would know.

Exactly..same here with pneumonia Didn’t even question where it came from but it put me in hospital and I had long pneumonia 😂 Was 5 months before I was well again This has always happened.

@CantGetNoSleep73

It's all such bollocks! Kids have well and truly been thrown under the bus constantly throughout this.

The goalposts are constantly moved - what exactly is the end point to all this? First vaccinate the over 65's and vulnerable, now it's becoming everyone? A virus for which most don't even know they have and for most is very mild.

I have 3 children, and 1 dd has asd with very challenging behaviour and she has spiralled. It has been a very difficult year for us as a family and services have used the covid excuse to the hilt not to support. Does nothing else matter now????

If it's bloody football, ascot and g7 - it's all fine, you crack on 🤬The final straw came when I saw all the fans at the footie and then all those that had traveled from Scotland 😞 also the g7 mob taking the piss, when us mere mortals are preached at.

One rule for them...

Yes, totally agree Terrible what has happened to kids My grandson practically teaching himself A level maths, physics, and chemistry Was initially expected to get three A stars Has a place at Edinburgh

Let’s see shall we?

@strangeshapedpotato

I have rheumatoid arthritis and was due to have my meds reviewed in April 2020. My appointment was cancelled.....Covid is also the reason why they have a huge backlog and why my phone appointment keeps getting postponed...... It's not selfish to want the ridiculous rules done away with

Wow - it's just so easy isn't it??
Fuck off covid.

There all solved - now why didn't the government think about doing that in the first place??

And all the doctors and nurses who have worked tirelessly all year, many of whom are now suffering PTSD as a result could simply have waved a hand and said, "you're not sick" to everyone.

You've spectacularly missed my point.

The rheumatology team agree that it's utterly ludicrous that they can't walk around the department to hand notes to consultants. They're saying the rules are ridiculous. And that they're preventing people who desperately need help from getting it.

@osbertthesyrianhamster

When will people realise that guilt tripping, attempting to shame, labels, etc are working on fewer and fewer people? Nor will all this long Covid fear. It's like people never realised they're going to die of something before this, and that their deaths will be out of their control most of the time and may be at the hands of something or even someone else beyond their control.

I have no idea who gave me the influenza which caused me to get post viral syndrome, who gave us swine flu, who gave me glandular fever that put me in hospital. Maybe someone else died from it. My FIL got influenza despite having had the vaccine and, as he had other health problems, unfortunately, he died.

I have friends whose children died from chickenpox. Rare, but it happened to them. Yet no one blinked an eye when there were outbreaks. I have friends whose children had undergone cancer treatment. One picked up enterovirus at school and it killed her. And cases like that ad infinitum.

This has been happening since time immortal. And it's unfair and it's tragic but you can't eliminate such things at all. I would know.

Is it not clear by now that the difference with covid is because it is a completely new virus with zero immunity and therefore an entire population susceptible at once.