All this has to stop. We can’t live like this!

[SweetsMum3]

We need to learn to live with covid like we do with all other viruses, illnesses and diseases. The elderly and high risk are vaccinated… that was the goal, remember?! Like Hancock said, we will cry freedom when the over 70s are vaccinated!

There is no reason for mass testing when the young and healthy get covid mildly. My child is in tears yet again because she isn’t allowed to go to school for 10 days. A few students in her year group tested positive and all students are forced to be locked in their homes… again.

Are the sick?! No. Half have no symptoms. The others have a slight fever and feel a little tired.

This isn’t fair. This isn’t healthy. This isn’t sane. This is harmful and destructive to children. An entire generation has been betrayed. For what exactly? Over a virus which does not affect them. Over fear. Over people being immensely risk-averse. Over loss of control and people can’t take it.

It is time we live our lives and get back to normal before it’s too late. If our children hold us accountable and never forgive us, I will completely understand. We have not stood-up for them. Instead, we cowered in fear not giving a hoot about the collateral damage all these restrictions have caused. Shame on us.

And this thread shows exactly what happens when things aren’t properly managed. Two completely divided sides of the population at logger heads. This is such a sad thread to read and just shows the extent of the war between people in our country. We should be united but instead as usual there is someone over us all is stirring the pot and we’re all at war with one another.

You are very pointedly ignoring my query about how we have "never" asked so much of our children, OP.

I'm 38. Utterly healthy. If we were back in WW1 or WW2 though teenaged boys would totally be expected to fight for me, and would be shot for desertion for refusing because I have the wrong genitals to be called up.

Older people also would be expected to remain safely at home.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29934965
www.historyextra.com/period/second-world-war/boys-who-lied-about-age-to-fight-ww2-teenage-soldiers/

And here are the children - actual children - who went out and fought. These are the children you are comparing your children with when you say no children have been asked to bear so much. And yes, you are engaged in hyperbole and no, I don't think you expected to be called on it. But I am calling you on it because its offensive and wrong. By engaging in your hyperbole of THE WORST THAT HAS BEEN ASKED OF CHILDREN EVER you are devaluing the sacrifices these children made.

@TheKeatingFive

8 parents dead at the school where my friend works so yes it has killed adults with young children.

That’s a real statistical anomaly then.

There were some schools in London with very high bereavements e.g. this one with twenty-five bereaved families, so eight doesn't sound that many www.theguardian.com/education/2020/jul/04/one-school-25-bereavements-essex-head-fears-emotional-impact-of-covid-19

Another poster who completely fails to grasp the catastrophic effect lockdown has had on millions of people (especially the socio economically vulnerable), reducing it to “not being able to do some shopping”. It’s so offensive

While at the same time telling us we have no empathy for the circumstances of others. Just incredible.

Yep another manipulative thread, it’s not so bad, just put up with it how dare you complain. It’s terrible children are locked away while grown men can carry on without a care in the world, this is so wrong.

There were some schools in London with very high bereavements e.g. this one with twenty-five bereaved families, so eight doesn't sound that many

If you look at the data and deaths in these age groups, it’s still a massive anomaly, as of course is the example you reference.

A major point of taking measures to suppress and contain now, is so that we don't need another lockdown.

We're so close. Good vaccine take up. All we have to do is get the majority fully vaccinated.

What we don't need is to fuck it all up again, by allowing the risk of a potentially vaccine resistant strain to develop amongst un or semi vaccinated people.

We're getting there. It would be incredibly foolish to mess up at this stage. Throw away the advantage. Stupid and dangerous.

[quote Baileysforchristmas]@Awalkintime and it’s terrible this has happened but should we be blaming other children and holding them accountable? While people were travelling into the country when we were all in lockdown and it was illegal. 20,000 Football fans allowed to do whatever they like without being tested, shouldn’t we be holding them accountable?[/quote]
Baileysforchristmas Can you please show me where I said that was acceptable and that we should ignore it?

JeanClaudeVanDammit Not bullshit - one of the worst areas, high muslim population, 99% muslim school. Or do you know better?

'Another poster who completely fails to grasp the catastrophic effect lockdown has had on millions of people (especially the socio economically vulnerable), reducing it to “not being able to do some shopping”. It’s so offensive.

FFS.' Oh, I grasp it alright. Most of these people, not giving a shit about others and objecting to restrictions , are the priveleged ones who' ve probably never experienced any hardship in their lives until this pandemic! Maybe, because I have experienced hardship including bereavement, loss of parents at a young age, I'm prepared to make a few sacrifices and no, it hasn't been easy on my family. Don't spout the socio ecomic crap with me.

8 parents of young children dead from one school? Are you sure? That is really unlikely.

the OP and all who agree with her clearly don't give a s.... about' strangers' and people, old and young, who may be more vulnerable to covid.

And you clearly don't give a s... about those who are vulnerable to the inhumane restrictions of lockdown. So many vulnerable children (and many adults) whose chances for living a productive and healthy life have been destroyed. I'm not only talking of dc with ASD but all children all who rely on the routines and being able to access education, healthcare and extra curricular activities that are the only way out of a miserable existence for some children.

I also detest the fear mind set. We've lived with a sense of dread, impending doom and fear for over a year and most adhered to all guidelines without grumbling too much. That mindset of fear and hiding away takes away our humanity. Lockdown is a very rough and crude tool to tackle the situation we are in now with most of the adult population having had their vaccinations. The vulnerable who have not been vaccinated need to shield and get support the rest of society needs to get on with life.

I'm just not totally sure what we're trying to achieve any more. What is the end goal?

But is it getting there unless everyone sticks to the rules? There will always be new variants coming into the country, children will always be self isolating,

@Baileysforchristmas

What’s worrying is people on here not being up in arms of other parts of society not following rules but giving mums and children such a hard time, this is becoming very scary

Oh, there's a lot of that, which is why all the 'welfare reforms' went through without a hitch. Nary a quibble about 'the vulnerable' or the ill and disabled. Every thread featuring a person asking about benefits and they get roasted by some.

@PracticingPerson - that links says 23 pupils and 2 staff 'bereaved', so not necessarily parents. Still very sad of course, but the data does not supposed the suggestion that many people young children have lost parents due to covid.

@Tealightsandd

A major point of taking measures to suppress and contain now, is so that we don't need another lockdown.

We're so close. Good vaccine take up. All we have to do is get the majority fully vaccinated.

What we don't need is to fuck it all up again, by allowing the risk of a potentially vaccine resistant strain to develop amongst un or semi vaccinated people.

We're getting there. It would be incredibly foolish to mess up at this stage. Throw away the advantage. Stupid and dangerous.

Yes, we're always so close.

Ever since seeing the title of this thread, I've got Temptation by Heaven 17 stuck in my head.

But it's too late to hesitate
We can't keep on living like this

Leave no track
Don't look back

(All I desire)
Temptation
(Keep climbing higher and higher)
Temptation
(Adorable creatures)
Temptation
(With unacceptable features)
Temptation
(Trouble is coming)
Temptation
(It's just the high cost of loving)
Temptation
(You can take it or leave it)
Temptation
(But you'd better believe it)

Great song, thanks OP!

@beela

I'm just not totally sure what we're trying to achieve any more. What is the end goal?

Good question😂

@beela

I'm just not totally sure what we're trying to achieve any more. What is the end goal?

Zero Covid for some.

[quote SweetsMum3]@jumpbounce

Omg, thousands of children would have died?! You really don’t follow the data do you? This virus is minuscule to children. Influenza is more deadly! Have you locked-up your kid every winter??[/quote]
My kid has been locked up most of the past 5 years, yes, because a cold could kill her. So forgive me if your 2 weeks doesn’t muster much sympathy from me. What don’t seem to grasp is that we’re it not for lockdown and keeping kids like mine away from people, the death rate would be much higher. The very fact we more of less eradicated flu this last winter is proof that lockdowns work. The IFR is just under 3% globally. Your maths is rubbish. 128k deaths out of 4.6m cases is 2.75%

@Baileysforchristmas

But is it getting there unless everyone sticks to the rules? There will always be new variants coming into the country, children will always be self isolating,

That's why we need pandemic (i.e. temporary) border control. Restricted to genuinely essential travel only, with real quarantine.

Masks in schools too.