All this has to stop. We can’t live like this!

[SweetsMum3]

We need to learn to live with covid like we do with all other viruses, illnesses and diseases. The elderly and high risk are vaccinated… that was the goal, remember?! Like Hancock said, we will cry freedom when the over 70s are vaccinated!

There is no reason for mass testing when the young and healthy get covid mildly. My child is in tears yet again because she isn’t allowed to go to school for 10 days. A few students in her year group tested positive and all students are forced to be locked in their homes… again.

Are the sick?! No. Half have no symptoms. The others have a slight fever and feel a little tired.

This isn’t fair. This isn’t healthy. This isn’t sane. This is harmful and destructive to children. An entire generation has been betrayed. For what exactly? Over a virus which does not affect them. Over fear. Over people being immensely risk-averse. Over loss of control and people can’t take it.

It is time we live our lives and get back to normal before it’s too late. If our children hold us accountable and never forgive us, I will completely understand. We have not stood-up for them. Instead, we cowered in fear not giving a hoot about the collateral damage all these restrictions have caused. Shame on us.

@GreenWillow

Your response to me that blithely pointed out that some people just won’t survive this pandemic glossed over a key point.

In my family of that happens, my daughter becomes an orphan. Her father and I are both at high risk. Should we stop taking precautions? Should we stop fighting to be there for our child? That isn’t a rhetorical question.

@Oblomov21

Sorry you don't like it Janell. Every CV and CEV child I know, I'm talking 100's have niece been offered.

If They haven't been offered, why the fxxk are you/ parents not fighting and contact your GP daily to have this CV or CEV child vaccinated ASAP?

This is complete lies. Hundreds of CEV children that you know. Bullshit! And the comment of asking your GP if you knew so many CEV children you would know that the GP doesn't make these decisions the majority of these children's care is consultant led, some top consultants in the UK and some even have consultants from around the bloody world. The parents are fighting and the consultants are fighting for guidance on vaccinating children but again you would know that if you knew hundreds of CEV children.

@HazeyJaneII

Everyone I know, and this includes all children have been offered to vaccinated by now.

This is not true.

I am deregistering now, because these arguments are utterly pointless and depressing.

People always say that and then keep on.

@TableFlowerss @MargosKaftan

MargosKaftan

“We have damaged the lives of millions to protect the lives of thousands. If you or your loved one is amongst the thousands, it probably feels worth it - I can see you might think there is no sacrifice too great for them. But similarly, can you see if you and everyone you care about is in the millions who have had their lives damaged to protect strangers, it might seem not worth it?

Yes yes yes and yes!”

This Xs a thousand!!!

Jumpbounce your GP will be on 'dodgy ground' to explain why a CEV, or CV child hasn't be done by now.

I suggest you press.

I know hundreds of children who have been. 17-year-olds of parents who have had cancer and they were done 6 weeks ago so the reasoning for why these children are not being done now is very weak.

@frumpety

Yes, British good manners has held up well. Come online being a knob, and people will tell you that you are a knob, though. HTH, OP.

Indeed they have, except on marches or protests where there have been incidents not in keeping with 'British' good manners

You are cheering me up here, thank you!

@HazeyJanell - if you're still here to read this - sorry about all the dumbasses on here, sorry for what you are going through.

People still trying to ignore the risks of Long Covid. (As well as continued ageist and ableist crap).

Goodness me!

It's never been just about death.

The government definitely wouldn't be spending lots of money on specialist treatment clinics, unless it was absolutely necessary.

Jumpbounce you have no idea how many CV and CEV children I know, or talk to, re parents.
So, your comments are very offensive.

@MargosKaftan

We have damaged the lives of millions to protect the lives of thousands. If you or your loved one is amongst the thousands, it probably feels worth it - I can see you might think there is no sacrifice too great for them. But similarly, can you see if you and everyone you care about is in the millions who have had their lives damaged to protect strangers, it might seem not worth it?

There is some of this yes. And I can see why we’re all getting beyond annoyed on both sides. The harms and cost has been great.

@Tealightsandd Do you have figures for that? As a long covid sufferer still suffering relapses, this scares me!

[quote SweetsMum3]@jumpbounce

“As a matter of fact my child spends the majority of winter in a 4 walled hospital room and doesn't get on like a complete fucking arsehole as a result meanwhile all the precious kids on this can't cope with 10 days in their bloody houses.”

🙄 it hasn’t been just 10 days. Lockdown 1.0 was March 2020. There is NO country in the world where 1000s of children have died. Sweden never closed their schools. Children weren’t dropping like flies!
America has 370 million people and the states that didn’t lockdown don’t even have children deaths in the double digits![/quote]
I'm fully aware lockdown 1.0 started in March 2020. From the very beginning of March 2020 we were advised to remove our children from school and stay at home. That was how it remained until after Easter 2021. So sorry if I don't give a fuck about the small period of time your child spent at home in lockdowns when the rest of the country was doing the same.
God help them if they ever end up with any medical conditions because if they are crying over 10 days then you and them will never be able to cope.

I realise this seems horrible and it is absolutely horrible of me but to be honest I'm so over the drama on these threads getting on like you've been locked in cages for a whole year. There's been plenty of time in school and freedoms to go out and about like now for example and from around July-December 2020.

We are all compliant sheep.

[quote SweetsMum3]@jumpbounce

“As a matter of fact my child spends the majority of winter in a 4 walled hospital room and doesn't get on like a complete fucking arsehole as a result meanwhile all the precious kids on this can't cope with 10 days in their bloody houses.”

🙄 it hasn’t been just 10 days. Lockdown 1.0 was March 2020. There is NO country in the world where 1000s of children have died. Sweden never closed their schools. Children weren’t dropping like flies!
America has 370 million people and the states that didn’t lockdown don’t even have children deaths in the double digits![/quote]
Are you really saying spending time at home with your family for even a year is worse than a season in a hospital room?

I have to step away now to protect my own sanity.

I agree OP. It is fucking insane and i am not OK with it.

What’s scary is we are becoming a 2 tier system, children will continually have to isolate while other members of society will be able to carry on, it’s frightening and the spread will never stop, scary times.

@BonnesVacances

This thread is like a car crash. The utter stupidity of some people is really depressing. No wonder you're struggling so much with the restrictions if you believe all the shite you read. I do think people would cope better if they tried to educate themselves and stopped believing info bandied about as if they were facts.

Yes!

@Baileysforchristmas

What’s scary is we are becoming a 2 tier system, children will continually have to isolate while other members of society will be able to carry on, it’s frightening and the spread will never stop, scary times.

I sincerely hope not but it concerns me too.

@Oblomov21

Jumpbounce your GP will be on 'dodgy ground' to explain why a CEV, or CV child hasn't be done by now.

I suggest you press.

I know hundreds of children who have been. 17-year-olds of parents who have had cancer and they were done 6 weeks ago so the reasoning for why these children are not being done now is very weak.

Vaccine is approved for over 12's and always was for over 16's. My child is 4 and you have no fucking idea. I know a child with only 30% lung capacity 12 years old and was only vaccinated last week after the approval for the vaccine!

Continue to believe what the media tells you and be grateful that you don't find yourself in that position.

And the madness is people on mumsnet condone it, even worse if you question it you are called all the names under the sun, it’s terrifying.

@strawberriesonasummersevening

Sorry you're going through that

I'm not sure what figures you're asking for? How many Long Covid clinics?

I don't know the exact numbers for adults (15 are being set up for children).

Have you had a referral to one? If you haven't had this yet, definitely ask your GP to refer you.

Research is going on, looking at various treatments, and hopefully this will help patients.

There's a couple of support threads on here, I think, for Long Covid sufferers. Also on Facebook.

Tealightsandd

Superb post, highlights the hundreds of thousands of people who are going to be affected by long Covid - my 40 year old, formerly fit neighbour is one. I may have it, but cannot get to see a GP face to face, just a telephone consultation (since March).
Then we have the tens of thousands attending footballe matches all over Europe - Hungary, 61,000 in the Budapest Puskas stadium, none wearing masks. Look at Hungary's stats re Covid, one of the worst in Europe.
So manhy selfish people not doing their bit to keep others safe.

@Izzypuss

Many young children have lost a parent due to Covid. That will affect them for the rest of their lives! A bit of caution and resilience now, will prevent that continuing.

Really? I understood the average age was 82 That doesn’t sound like too many people with young children in those samples.

@andyoldlabour

Tealightsandd

Superb post, highlights the hundreds of thousands of people who are going to be affected by long Covid - my 40 year old, formerly fit neighbour is one. I may have it, but cannot get to see a GP face to face, just a telephone consultation (since March).
Then we have the tens of thousands attending footballe matches all over Europe - Hungary, 61,000 in the Budapest Puskas stadium, none wearing masks. Look at Hungary's stats re Covid, one of the worst in Europe.
So manhy selfish people not doing their bit to keep others safe.

Is this right that you cannot see a Gp face to face ?

No, of course it isn’t and that’s what wrong with this cruel situation.

Unfortunately, there is a point where small numbers of fatalities/long term issues has to be accepted.

But OP alleged that nothing worse than a slight fever and tiredness ever happens. And the deaths currently being suffered are more likely to be in the younger part of the population as it is mostly the unvaccinated being affected.