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Italy - mandatory quarantine

156 replies

Tulipomania · 18/06/2021 18:37

DS was planning to go next week to visit a friend.

He had both vaccines ages ago.

It's so shit, but what can he do?

He's just left Uni.

OP posts:
3Britnee · 19/06/2021 17:08

They aren't thinking about the masses though are they. They just want the tourist £. It makes no difference to them to bring in all these restrictions again after summer because it doesn't affect them. This is why 'just because you can, doesn't mean you should' stands.

I mean, what kind of a cunt lovely unselfish person goes on an international holiday during a pandemic anyway? You've got to be a certain kind of stupid to do that, anyway, haven't you. It's common sense really, isn't it.

ilovesooty · 19/06/2021 17:17

@3Britnee

They aren't thinking about the masses though are they. They just want the tourist £. It makes no difference to them to bring in all these restrictions again after summer because it doesn't affect them. This is why 'just because you can, doesn't mean you should' stands.

I mean, what kind of a cunt lovely unselfish person goes on an international holiday during a pandemic anyway? You've got to be a certain kind of stupid to do that, anyway, haven't you. It's common sense really, isn't it.

That's the fault of the government, not the holidaymakers. If they don't want them there, close the borders or make entry requirements very stringent.
LightasaBreeze · 19/06/2021 17:19

I thought this thread was about Italy, OP's DS didn't book to go to Spain.

IcedPurple · 19/06/2021 17:21

@LightasaBreeze

I thought this thread was about Italy, OP's DS didn't book to go to Spain.
Someone's got a raging bee in their bonnet about 'hard lockdowns' and 'selfish' holidaymakers.
Tulipomania · 19/06/2021 17:26

A certain poster has made its all about her instead.

OP posts:
LightasaBreeze · 19/06/2021 17:28

It's like lockdown wars and pitchforks on the tarmac

IcedPurple · 19/06/2021 17:29

@LightasaBreeze

It's like lockdown wars and pitchforks on the tarmac
It seems like last April all over again. 'Other countries' have 'proper' lockdowns. Britain is the 'laughing stock of the world'. Anyone who participates in an activity which the poster happens not to enjoy is 'selfish'.

And so on and so forth. Yawn.

HairyFloppins · 19/06/2021 17:34

It seems like last April all over again

This. It's like groundhog day on here. I'll be on a bloody plane as soon as I can. Selfish cow I am.

Agree OP it's completely shit.

IcedPurple · 19/06/2021 17:38

@HairyFloppins

It seems like last April all over again

This. It's like groundhog day on here. I'll be on a bloody plane as soon as I can. Selfish cow I am.

Agree OP it's completely shit.

Presumably the poster doesn't work in the tourism industry on which the Spanish economy so heavily depends. I doubt the millions of Spaniards who work in tourism would be so quick to label tourists who visit Spain - with the permission if not outright encouragement of the Spanish govt - as 'selfish idiots'.
EileenGC · 19/06/2021 17:57

@Baileysforchristmas We’re high risk country because we are testing so much. Do you not think it’s strange EU countries numbers are going down so fast but they are opening up more than us and they have less people vaccinated?

Hit the nail on the head.

I will respectfully disagree.

The EU isn't testing as much, you say?
I'm in an EU country and up until 5 days ago, and beginning late February, we have had to test for:

Going to the hairdressers.
Going to a non essential shop (so anything except supermarket and pharmacy).
Sitting down to eat at an outdoors restaurant or coffee shop.
Taking part in an outdoors sport activity with more than 1 other person.
Attending a church service or some types of appointments.
Attending a play, concert, or going to the cinema.

Plus school staff and students every 2 days, companies who still had people coming in to the offices were also required by law to test everyone twice a week. Add to these the general recommendation for everyone to test themselves regularly.

Home tests are not accepted for any of the above. You must book an appointment at a testing centre close to your house or whatever shop you're visiting, where they perform the test and email you the results, in an official format, after 15 minutes. Only this email, plus a tracing app AND an appointment (be that at Primark, the pub, or your beauty salon) allows you in. There is no leeway. You cannot refuse to scan the tracing app, and your QR code won't be activated unless you give your real name and contact details, and verify them twice.

Tests must be taken on the day, so you can only reuse a test if you visit several places on the same day. At one point I was testing every single day. The economy started to reopen so people started going to all these places, and therefore testing themselves almost non-stop.

Honestly, people in the UK need to stop saying the EU isn't testing, the EU isn't vaccinating fast enough, the EU didn't have a hard enough lockdown.

I doubt anyone in the UK is testing themselves before each and every outing that's not to a supermarket. I doubt 20 year olds will be fully vaccinated by next month (I'm early 20s and will be, as second doses are given within 5 weeks). My similarly aged friends in England have second doses booked for the end of September. Three months after their first ones. When the country is full of the delta variant, which will soon also spread to Europe as we resume travel (for which I have nothing against, if done safely). So I'd suggest people educate themselves before saying other countries don't test or vaccinate enough, because that might've been true 4 months ago but clearly isn't anymore.

blameitonthecaffeine · 19/06/2021 18:09

But 3Brit you said yourself that your husband travelled here and back to Spain. Ok, for 'essential property reasons' but, from a 22 year old's perspective, seeing friends is far more essential than checking on a property. Probably more essential than seeing family too. A 22 year old might think it's selfish to have more than one property in more than one country that needs checking on.

You can't impose your views of what is a good reason to travel into others whose priorities will be different. Governments can do that, of course. But once something is allowed, then it's up to individuals how important they think their trip is.

I do think Italy has done the right thing. But that doesn't make it any less disappointing for OP's DS. I'd be gutted too and I'm more than twice his age

Wilkolampshade · 19/06/2021 18:39

Good grief @EileenGC, that sounds exhausting! Whereabouts are you, if you don't mind me asking?

Schulte · 19/06/2021 19:01

Sounds like Germany’s crazy testing measures.

NannyAndJohn · 19/06/2021 19:27

@Schulte

Sounds like Germany’s crazy testing measures.
Crazy?

Sounds safe and sensible to me.

vaccinelover · 19/06/2021 19:51

[quote EileenGC]**@Baileysforchristmas We’re high risk country because we are testing so much. Do you not think it’s strange EU countries numbers are going down so fast but they are opening up more than us and they have less people vaccinated?

Hit the nail on the head.

I will respectfully disagree.

The EU isn't testing as much, you say?
I'm in an EU country and up until 5 days ago, and beginning late February, we have had to test for:

Going to the hairdressers.
Going to a non essential shop (so anything except supermarket and pharmacy).
Sitting down to eat at an outdoors restaurant or coffee shop.
Taking part in an outdoors sport activity with more than 1 other person.
Attending a church service or some types of appointments.
Attending a play, concert, or going to the cinema.

Plus school staff and students every 2 days, companies who still had people coming in to the offices were also required by law to test everyone twice a week. Add to these the general recommendation for everyone to test themselves regularly.

Home tests are not accepted for any of the above. You must book an appointment at a testing centre close to your house or whatever shop you're visiting, where they perform the test and email you the results, in an official format, after 15 minutes. Only this email, plus a tracing app AND an appointment (be that at Primark, the pub, or your beauty salon) allows you in. There is no leeway. You cannot refuse to scan the tracing app, and your QR code won't be activated unless you give your real name and contact details, and verify them twice.

Tests must be taken on the day, so you can only reuse a test if you visit several places on the same day. At one point I was testing every single day. The economy started to reopen so people started going to all these places, and therefore testing themselves almost non-stop.

Honestly, people in the UK need to stop saying the EU isn't testing, the EU isn't vaccinating fast enough, the EU didn't have a hard enough lockdown.

I doubt anyone in the UK is testing themselves before each and every outing that's not to a supermarket. I doubt 20 year olds will be fully vaccinated by next month (I'm early 20s and will be, as second doses are given within 5 weeks). My similarly aged friends in England have second doses booked for the end of September. Three months after their first ones. When the country is full of the delta variant, which will soon also spread to Europe as we resume travel (for which I have nothing against, if done safely). So I'd suggest people educate themselves before saying other countries don't test or vaccinate enough, because that might've been true 4 months ago but clearly isn't anymore.[/quote]
Bravo ! I'm so tired of people still thinking Europe is ' way behind ' and still suffering very high cases... it's more complex than that and it's not a competition that the UK has somehow won. Everything has been shit everywhere at different times in different ways. Europe is catching up with the vaccines BIG time. It's no longer the same situation as in Feb. Move on already.

EileenGC · 19/06/2021 20:11

It is indeed Germany. Yes it was crazy and I don’t know anyone who didn’t hate it (mostly because of how time-consuming it was to organise it all), but it has allowed the country to avoid too big a spike during the third wave, and thankfully they’re slowly relaxing the rules now. The national incidence is 10 which is super low, and everything is open now, albeit still with constant testing - which you can get out of with your vaccine certificate.

Everyone over 12 has been able to book vaccines as of last week. They’re hoping most secondary school students will be fully vaccinated before the new year starts (early August in my state), so school can be somehow normal again. We have also been able to choose which vaccine we get, and I remember how much hate I got on Mumsnet when I mentioned that a few months back. Everyone kept saying how disastrous the rollout would be if they allow people to do that. It actually meant no one was wasting any appointments or changing their mind at the last minute. There has been a high uptake of all kinds of the vaccine, so no problems there.

Exactly @vaccinelover (love your username!), all this ‘Europe is way behind’ narrative was true for a few weeks in the middle of winter. Things are very different now and we’re seeing how a new variant can change the situation very quickly, in any country, and regardless of how many measures are being taken. But of course, they don’t like saying that on the news - that all countries are getting there, and the difference between Europe/UK is currently minimal. Mutations occur, variants travel abroad together with people, and it may all be different again in 2 months. Who knows. We ought to start living again at some point, though…

HarebrightCedarmoon · 19/06/2021 20:20

Well, we will definitely be going on holiday to France in August if allowed. We travelled further within the UK last half term than our trip over the Channel would be.

Schulte · 19/06/2021 20:30

‘ We have also been able to choose which vaccine we get, ’

That may be your Bundesland. My family and friends’ stories are different. Doesn’t matter though. I agree we all go through the same spikes at different times. The UK thinking it’s so far ahead is silly. As is the current view on the continent that travellers from the UK pose a mahoosive risk. We’re all in the same boat, for better or worse.

MareofBeasttown · 19/06/2021 20:31

This isn't a competition in who has it worse, but I have not actually seen my daughter in nearly a year. I have been double vaxxed and she has had her first shot, and will be having her second in 2 months. However, none of that makes any difference.

EasterIssland · 19/06/2021 20:43

@EileenGC were they private tests not taken into account for the countries test amount ?

Here it says Germany has done 63m vs 200m in the uk
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

EileenGC · 19/06/2021 21:07

[quote EasterIssland]@EileenGC were they private tests not taken into account for the countries test amount ?

Here it says Germany has done 63m vs 200m in the uk
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/quote]
63m seems extremely low, so I think they’re only counting PCRs. Up to late Feb/early March, when they introduced free community testing, 90% of the tests performed were PCR. From what I remember, the figure has been going up progressively so I’d assume both home and community LFTs tests haven’t been counted towards that amount. I could be wrong though.

EasterIssland · 19/06/2021 21:12

The uk has 195m in the coronavirus page which includes lft (official website )
200m in the link I’ve passed you so I’d think it does actually count as well lft

EileenGC · 19/06/2021 21:34

@EasterIssland

The uk has 195m in the coronavirus page which includes lft (official website ) 200m in the link I’ve passed you so I’d think it does actually count as well lft
Worldometers shows the figures reported by the specific countries. I’ve no idea how and what Germany reports. It’s the same thing with deaths, several countries have been discovered to underreport, or overreport, or providing inconsistent data. Worldometers, or the WHO for that matter, doesn’t keep track of every single country. It’s each country’s responsibility to report test, cases and death numbers. Each one of them does it differently.

What I find hard to believe is that a country where you need to test before going to buy a pair of socks, then again the next day before having a coffee, plus the compulsory twice-weekly tests for employees, would have much lower numbers than the UK when only the latter is true (and not even enforceable in some cases). As I said, we don’t know how each country chooses to report their numbers.

Baileysforchristmas · 19/06/2021 21:37

And there lies the problem, no one knows how each countries data is compiled so how can we say the UK numbers are say worse than countries in Europe or India?

pinkhousesarebest · 19/06/2021 22:27

. Dd (17) has just had her second vaccine which means we have a full house of vaccines now (France). I don't know where this lingering belief that Europe is scrabbling around still in the empty vaccine box. So far from the truth.