Us and them- the vaccine. So much pressure

[ToTheLetter01]

Before i begin, i am not an anti vaxxer. Me and my DS have had all our jabs and we also have annual flu jabs.
However i feel such hostility and pressure from people who have had their vaccine for me to have it. The reason i do not want it at this moment is just because its still in the experimental stage until 2023 and i would like to know more long term data.
This is my choice, its my body and everyone should have the choice. Choice to have the vaccine and choice to not. I do not shame nor ridicule anyone for having it or not.
However i have felt so much pressure from friends and others in the wider public, media, government.

I feel like the nation is becoming split between us and them. ( vaccinated and unvaccinated). With things becoming unfair for people. Eg. may be able to travel and not quarantine if had vaccines, care home workers may be forced to have the vaccine. Now i get the point of view of they have had it and may be more "safe". But how is the ok in a freedom and rights point of view. As i stated freedom to do what you want with your body.

I feel like this world is becoming some kind of dystopian world. I miss my old life, i took all the freedom for granted. Its true that you don't realise how good it was until it's gone.
I don't want people to be hostile to me because of my choice to wait for long term data on the vaccine. Half of me wants to lie to people i've had it so they will not be stand off towards me.

As far as I see it, by exercising your freedom to choose, you are choosing to continue with all the shitty restrictions we’ve all endured for months. That was what we all had to do before we got vaccinated. You’re choosing to carry on with that. Fill your boots. But you get freedoms once you vaccinate. And if you choose to wait until 2023, that’s on you. There are too many vulnerable people for you to piggyback everyone’s decision to get the jab.

[quote Sadsiblingatsea]@JassyRadlett Yet you seek to undermine someone who holds differing views by suggesting they are promoting these views to make money.
You have absolutely no evidence for this.
It takes a huge amount of courage to deny the popular narrative, doing so is not the act of a charlatan.
Any medic speaking out will lose their livelihood, their reputation and their funding.
I applaud them for having the courage of their convictions.[/quote]
He is making money from spreading vaccine misinformation to concerned parents. He is literally profiting from this.

He charges £180 for a 'consultation fee' to plan which vaccines he's going to sell you before you even get into paying the per dose price for each of the vaccines your child needs which seems to be £80-180 per dose per vaccine!

Here's a link to his price list
http://www.babyjabs.co.uk/downloads_files/May%202021.pdf

I'm sure someone with more up to date knowledge of the current vaccine schedule could work out the cost of a full set of childhood imms which are of course free of charge on the NHS.

This is no altruist - he's creating his own market and the. bleeding it dry!

@Badyboo simply stating that someone is “wrong”, without providing any evidence won’t sway anyone. Swearing at them doesn’t work either.
Just accept others have a different view.
We don’t live in a dictatorship.
Yet. 🤪

They/you don't have any intention of being swayed. And all your nonsense about dictatorships makes you sound like a pathetic edgy teenager, frankly. Believe what you want, but don't expect others to clap you on the back for your nonsense.

@Countrylane

As far as I see it, by exercising your freedom to choose, you are choosing to continue with all the shitty restrictions we’ve all endured for months. That was what we all had to do before we got vaccinated. You’re choosing to carry on with that. Fill your boots. But you get freedoms once you vaccinate. And if you choose to wait until 2023, that’s on you. There are too many vulnerable people for you to piggyback everyone’s decision to get the jab.

No. The restrictions were to prevent the nhs being overwhelmed. Certain groups were identified as vulnerable and most likely to end up in hospital/die. The JCVI prioritised these groups to receive the vaccine. We were told that by vaccinating the vulnerable groups we would reduce strain on the nhs and restrictions could be lifted. We have now vaccinated those groups (for the most part) and hospitalisations snd deaths are low. It was never the case that we had to vaccinate everyone to get out of the ‘shitty restrictions’. For the majority of people, covid is mild and infection also confers immunity.

@Badyboo Be honest now.
Do you have any intention of being swayed either?
Or do you simply seek to ridicule others with differing views?

[quote Sadsiblingatsea]@Badyboo Be honest now.
Do you have any intention of being swayed either?
Or do you simply seek to ridicule others with differing views?[/quote]
Didn’t you use
Cult
Fanatics
Zealots

It was that another poster.

@Sadsiblingatsea if new reliable and scientifically proved facts emerge, then of course I'd amend my views. Sadly for me, I'm double vaxxed though, so I'm probably done for when they switch on the mind control though.

@Countrylane

As far as I see it, by exercising your freedom to choose, you are choosing to continue with all the shitty restrictions we’ve all endured for months. That was what we all had to do before we got vaccinated. You’re choosing to carry on with that. Fill your boots. But you get freedoms once you vaccinate. And if you choose to wait until 2023, that’s on you. There are too many vulnerable people for you to piggyback everyone’s decision to get the jab.

Freedoms taken away, and only given back if you consent to a medical procedure. How is this acceptable?

@Badyboo "Mind control". Wowsers.

I’m hoping mine has an option to take over the meal planning and shopping, because I’m finding that a proper ballache these days.

In my view it's perfectly acceptable for those refusing the vaccine and not contributing to the effort to get our freedoms back to have their own freedoms restricted.

@ilovesooty

In my view it's perfectly acceptable for those refusing the vaccine and not contributing to the effort to get our freedoms back to have their own freedoms restricted.

So essentially punishing someone for not having a medical procedure?

Not punishing.

If you choose not to have a medical procedure you can't expect to benefit from the positive improvements it brings.

Unless someone is working in health care I don't get why they would feel pressured.

You just need to avoid the covid board and social media threads about covid or the vaccines.

Then don't tell people you are not having the jab or just lie if you don't want to get if you have no choice. Not ideal but hardly difficult 🤷‍♀️

With their fixation on vaccination, people completely ignore the antibodies / T cell immunity gained from previous infection. Inferring that people who have recovered from an infection aren't 'contributing' as the vaccinated are. Which ever way you look at it, it's bullying pure and simple. Bullying others into a medical procedure. 'its ok that you have your freedom curtailed because you don't make the choice that I want you to' coercion and bullying whichever way you dress it up.

@frysturkishdelight

Not punishing.

If you choose not to have a medical procedure you can't expect to benefit from the positive improvements it brings.

Exactly. I don't see why anyone who chooses not to be vaccinated and in fact sabotages efforts to reduce mutation and transmission should be able to access the same freedoms as vaccinated people and put at risk those who can't be vaccinated.

@frysturkishdelight

Not punishing.

If you choose not to have a medical procedure you can't expect to benefit from the positive improvements it brings.

Having freedoms taken away and given back as "positive improvement" as a reward for having a medical procedure done. How can you not see how wrong that sounds? It sounds like my time spent in psych hospital under section.

@TruelyonelastSchlep

Unless someone is working in health care I don't get why they would feel pressured.

You just need to avoid the covid board and social media threads about covid or the vaccines.

Then don't tell people you are not having the jab or just lie if you don't want to get if you have no choice. Not ideal but hardly difficult 🤷‍♀️

Well hopefully lying won't get you anywhere with wanting to travel or attend large events.

@frysturkishdelight

Not punishing.

If you choose not to have a medical procedure you can't expect to benefit from the positive improvements it brings.

Agree. I accept the consequences, both risks and benefits, of having the vaccine. Why would voluntarily not having the vaccine not also come with both. If your benefit is sidestepping the (minimal) risks of the vaccination, why would you expect to fully benefit from the freedoms that people who did get vaccinated have facilitated AND expect people to be happy about it? You’re expecting a lot from the ‘sheep’ there?

@frysturkishdelight re-reading my post, you’re obviously not the ‘you’ I’m referring to, I’m agreeing with you

To be honest I have no issue with people not wanting to be vaccinated but they should be banned from going to public places if they have been invited to be vaccinated eg over 30's and refuse, and in a month all unvaccinated because they are driving the new variant

@XenoBitch

That's not what I mean,

If you've got cataracts, a medical procedure will improve your life. You can't say no I'm not having a cataract operation, it's too risky but I want my cataracts to disappear and expect them to.

@ilovesooty I am a vaccine cheerleader. Just saying why if people have chosen not to vaccinate are they bothering to make a fuss. Then grumble if people tell them they are wrong. Make a decision and move on. Life is to short. Some of the vaccine refusers moan way to much and hang out on vaccine threads. Seems very self harming if they take offense easily etc

[quote frysturkishdelight]@XenoBitch

That's not what I mean,

If you've got cataracts, a medical procedure will improve your life. You can't say no I'm not having a cataract operation, it's too risky but I want my cataracts to disappear and expect them to. [/quote]
How can you equate cataracts with the government taking away freedoms?