Vaccination to be mandatory for care home staff

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www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/15/covid-jabs-to-become-mandatory-for-care-home-staff-in-england

It will be interesting to see how this affects retention and recruitment of staff... Or not...

@sleepwouldbenice
Flu kills people in absolutely droves every year so 'hope that helps'

"I hope they all fucking quit" Did someone seriously utter that?! The problem is, people will. Then care homes are fucked.

@baldafrique

"I hope they all fucking quit" Did someone seriously utter that?! The problem is, people will. Then care homes are fucked.

They don't care if people die as long as they die doing what they are told!

@Notthemessiah
Seems that way! Also noone seems to have given a fuck about care home residents prior to 2020!

It's just been announced in Parliament that this is going ahead.

@baldafrique

"I hope they all fucking quit" Did someone seriously utter that?! The problem is, people will. Then care homes are fucked.

So whose fault would that be then? Hopeless Hancock? Blundering Boris?

Staff are free to be vaccinated or leave - that is what the Govt is suggesting.

Wouldn't a better idea be to acknowledge fears, educate and perhaps vaccination levels will go up?

That happened successfully in vaccine hesitant communities when the Delta variant first struck.

Threats rarely work, they harden opinions.

@Nat6999

It's just been announced in Parliament that this is going ahead.

How incredibly depressing but at the same time how totally predictable from our current government.

If anyone thinks that picking a section of society that is least able to resist or 'just find another job', as some idiots have suggested in this thread, is anything other than a cynical expression of power then they need to give their heads a wobble.

Similarly, if you think that this stops here rather than being the first of many steps imposing mandatory vaccinations on ever increasing numbers of people (starting with the least able to refuse and working upwards) then you're quite simply being wilfully blind.

And of course once we have accepted that the government has the right to inject us with whatever it likes, then they know we'll accept just about anything.

I suppose if nothing else this might do something to lessen the recruitment issues in the hospitality sector...

@Nat6999

It's just been announced in Parliament that this is going ahead.

Hancock also made it clear that he wants the vaccine mandated for carers who go to client's homes and he expects this to be introduced following consultation. Flu vaccine set to be mandated for health and care staff. Visitors and other persons who go in and out of care homes will not be required to be vaccinated - I suppose Covid can tell the difference and knows who to attack

Unpaid carers next I suppose. Hancock can take my Carer's Allowance and shove it where the sun don't shine before I'll have the vaccine.

So whose fault would that be then? Hopeless Hancock? Blundering Boris?

Staff are free to be vaccinated or leave - that is what the Govt is suggesting.

Oh no, not their fault, it'll be the selfish care workers fault, who've been told to get jabbed or get out..... And who got out, and the rest of us who are vaccinated but get out because no one will give a toss about how care is going to be affected when numbers of care workers fall, or those care workers who have been hired simply because of their vaccination status and nothing else, affect the level of care that can actually be given and if it goes that way, I for one, will not be forced to give more substandard care than I already am. It'll be the only option left as no one is listening.

Wouldn't a better idea be to acknowledge fears, educate and perhaps vaccination levels will go up?

That happened successfully in vaccine hesitant communities when the Delta variant first struck.

Yes but that wouldn't whip up the public into a frenzy and therefore get public support for this to be pushed through now would it?

Threats rarely work, they harden opinions.

And the people in care and needing care in the future will pay for that, but as long as they're not exposed to unvaccinated workers, then it's not a problem. Apparently.

Appalling decision...a sector that already struggles for staff.

@Iquitit So much for Boris the "Libertarian"

@BoaCunstrictor

I suppose if nothing else this might do something to lessen the recruitment issues in the hospitality sector...

Only temporarily, as I imagine the hospitality sector is number three on the list, after care workers and the NHS (or maybe number 4, after teachers and other school workers).

First they came for the care workers............

Well, I'm voting with my feet and currently applying for roles within other sectors, given that I have sixteen weeks in which to secure one.

I will be sad to leave social care but my individual autonomy and continued good health are paramount.

I'm in favour of this for new staff, but am still to be convinced that it should apply for existing staff unless those who live are adequately compensated, which of course will not happen.

those who leave...

Hancock thinks we're too thick and disenfranchised to mount any viable objection.
That is precisely why social care has become target number one.

I wonder what this means for those on benefits who will get sanctioned if they don't accept an offer of work - in this case, if they're unvaccinated, because they'll be prohibited from doing so? Or if they lose their jobs because they're unvaccinated - will this be viewed as a choice and therefore they've essentially made themselves unemployed? Will people affected in this way be able to claim benefits?

I wholeheartedly agree that those who can get vaccinated should, but it's very worrying to think that people may be put out of work/unable to accept an offer of work, and have no income whatsoever as a result.

Those saying that there are certain jobs that require vaccinations, this is different. People taking those jobs know they have to be vaccinated and can choose to decline that job or career if they don’t wish to have them. Care home workers are already in work and do not have that choice. It’s terrible and I can’t believe they are doing it.

@ZednotZee

Hancock thinks we're too thick and disenfranchised to mount any viable objection. That is precisely why social care has become target number one.

And that there's a supply of vaccinated people out there ready to take the jobs. The only qualifications that are required are a clean DBS check (not criminal record as some things are discounted) 2 references and a covid jab. And sanctions if you're unemployed and don't go for jobs available. That isn't a recipe for good care delivery. But I don't know why I'm bothering because no one cares anyway. I'm going to have to think long and hard about if I want to stay part of a work force that's so disrespected and treated like this, with absolutely no compensation for that like a wage you can live on or even sickness pay for when you are ill and need to stay at home to a)recover and b) protect others from that illness. We're little better than societies servants.

I heard some idiot being interviewed on the radio about it.
He worked in a care home and said he wouldn’t have the vaccine. When asked why the best he could come up with was
I don’t think I need it
I don’t have the flu jab
People are making money from it

Fuckwit

I work in the healthcare sector, not a care home, and find it amazing that us as staff are being told no jab, no job but our patients don't have to have it. Quite a few of my patients have declined the vaccine and that's their right so why should I be made to have it?

I’m amazed. Gobsmacked. Safety trials haven’t even finished and we are forcing this vaccine.

And if you die or are seriously injured from
It, you get max £120k

I hope someone takes this useless government to court. I’m not a care worker and have no one in a care home and I would contribute to the costs of a class action

There’ll be murmurs of mass resignations, but then a good chunk of care workers will take the jab when it becomes obvious that that other countries require it for travel and/or holidays. That’s inevitable.

Good. If you work in care and don't have the vaccine you simply don't care.