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Not sure how Boris can stand up tonight and ask us to wait 'just another few weeks' after his antics this weekend.

Nor after seeing the scenes at countless pubs where people were celebrating the footy results

I'm 100% done now

@Flaxmeadow it does not make me a covid denier to say that it is time to move on and that other things matter as well as covid. I don't deny that the virus is serious. I don't deny that it can mutate further. But I think it is time to carry on with life and risk assess for ourselves. And people are entitled to be angry at G7 scenes and football stadium scenes and the hypocrisy of being told that the rise in cases is their fault, whilst people in power do whatever they want to

But people cannot risk assess for themselves can they? There comes a point when we have to trust the science, including behavioural science. Right from the start it's been obvious, to anyone who follows the news and data everyday, that this is an extremely serious situation

This is just my thoughts. Two times have really scared me in this pandemic

1. The first lockdown and the lead up to it and also the bone chilling words of a top scientists in the field that "this virus is stealthy and robust"
2. Last Autumn when it became apparent that this virus is good at mutating and the implications of what that could mean in the future and this is why I prefer caution. I'm going to be blunt about this, what if this virus, God forbid, mutates into a variant that is more dangerous to young people and children? What if our non compliance creates that situation by allowing it spread in the vaccinated and unvaccinated and it mutates to that? That is what scares me, and to me it is just not worth the risk of letting up on restrictions ATM

Who is doing this?
On here?

All the people talking about how they can’t understand why this is a big deal, everything’s pretty much back to normal anyway and the remaining restrictions are hardly an issue at all and all we have to do is spend a few more weeks enjoying the sunshine?

@sparemonitor as a fellow NHS worker I am yet to see anywhere where it says "mask exempt" in anyones notes, even if they are?

being pissed off at our fucker of a prime minister is entirely understandable, but he's screwed up and as a result we all have to take the consequences. Blubbing 'I'm done' will only make things worse.

we've got to clear up the shit that has been dropped on us from a great height.

But people cannot risk assess for themselves can they?

Yes they can. People are very used to assessing their own risks as it happens. The thing is, not everyone assesses the risks how some people want them to. There is something like 'a correct risk assessment' that seems to be prevalent at the time, when the truth is that my risk is different to someone else's.

I have never been frightened throughout this entire year, just constantly amazed at how anxious people were. Quarantining shopping just seemed mentally ill to me. BUT, I have tried to be a good citizen and empathetic to people who were vulnerable......yet even that has come to an end now.....WE HAVE VACCINATIONS.

must admit I was all for relaxing things

but my daughter, who is at university, has been vaccinated as have her friends

in her house this morning, half of them woke up ill and have just tested positive on lateral flow tests. They are getting PCR ones done now

and I know she is extremely cautious and has been vaccinated. So whatever this strain is, it must be bloody contagious! She's quite ill and trying to get treatment (she phoned the doctor) but the doctor cannot call back till Wednesday - she's asthmatic and needs steroids. It sounds like GPs are getting overwhelmed again......

she had the Pfizer jab btw (if it makes any difference)

I work for a group of schools and infections are rising again - we have had several bubbles burst over the past week. At my daughter's school there have been 4 cases in the last 2 days.

We haven't had any local cases for weeks and no bubbles burst since March prior to last week.

Whatever the 'antics' of the weekend (and I am no fan of BJ), ultimately the advice is to delay and we need to protect ourselves. Johnson is hardly the example we should follow either - his behaviour led him to be ill. In the end we should look at the medical advice instead, even if BJ only follows it when it suits.

My DS and his flatmates at Uni all got positive LFT last week, they had some symptoms of illness. He has had the vaccine and also had Covid back in October.

The PCRs for all of them were negative. It was a cold. Let's hope it is the same for your dd.

@CyberGhost

I'd also like to point out that the G7 summit was leaders from all different countries! Not exactly setting a good example to people with families overseas they haven't see in in almost 2 years....

But what example are you looking for them to set?

They were "at work" (yes, I know, being a world leader is probably a crappy job but job somebody has to do ) ..

They (and their entourage) are allowed to enter the UK "for work purposes" and not go into quarantine - there are actually quite a few other jobs that get full/partial exemption from quarantine..(link posted earlier)...so no rules broken.

Quarantine aside plenty of people in ordinary jobs are attending their work places/attending meetings in the UK under the current rules....so no rules broken.

As far as the barbeque event goes....I'd agree not a great "look" in the current circumstances but as I understand it in England now outdoor gatherings up to a certain size are allowed...so possibly no rules broken.

Interesting analysis in today's Guardian.

Astra Zeneca is only 60% effective against the delta variant after 2 doses. So that's 40% of the vulnerable still at risk if we let it run riot through the population.

In total only 32% of people at the moment can assume to be 'safe' based on vaccine rates and effectiveness. I can see why caution is needed.

But by this reasoning and assuming more varients to come I don't see a route out. If after double vaccinating the whole of the UK we're only 60% safe we're in and out of lockdown until the rest of the world is vaccinated. That'll take a couple of years even if it ramps up massively from the current pace.

I'm so sorry to hear that @PurpleLorry

It is a lot more transmissible. It's secondary hit rate is about 60% more successful at infecting people the infected person lives with and it's 40% more likely to infect you outdoors.

I hope she gets the help she needs from the GP and is much better soon.

People are very used to assessing their own risks as it happens

As good as a doctor or a scientist? Random "I'm bored with this now, I'm done, this is ridiculous" Tracy and Phil Bloggs on Facebook or down the pub are neither. So no thanks, I'd rather trust the science

WE HAVE VACCINATIONS

We also have a virus that is strong and could, and to some extent is, evade vaccines. Just because people are vaccinated it does not mean the virus will stop mutating and especially if it is allowed to spread at high rates even in the vaccinated. What if it mutates to be more dangerous, to a wider age demographic, and evades this current vaccine at higher rates? What then?

We all want this to end but unfortunately it isn't over yet and vaccines are only part of the public health measures in place. Why can't we just accept what the science is telling us and proceed with caution?

[quote Flaxmeadow]**@Flaxmeadow it does not make me a covid denier to say that it is time to move on and that other things matter as well as covid. I don't deny that the virus is serious. I don't deny that it can mutate further. But I think it is time to carry on with life and risk assess for ourselves. And people are entitled to be angry at G7 scenes and football stadium scenes and the hypocrisy of being told that the rise in cases is their fault, whilst people in power do whatever they want to

But people cannot risk assess for themselves can they? There comes a point when we have to trust the science, including behavioural science. Right from the start it's been obvious, to anyone who follows the news and data everyday, that this is an extremely serious situation

This is just my thoughts. Two times have really scared me in this pandemic

1. The first lockdown and the lead up to it and also the bone chilling words of a top scientists in the field that "this virus is stealthy and robust"
2. Last Autumn when it became apparent that this virus is good at mutating and the implications of what that could mean in the future and this is why I prefer caution. I'm going to be blunt about this, what if this virus, God forbid, mutates into a variant that is more dangerous to young people and children? What if our non compliance creates that situation by allowing it spread in the vaccinated and unvaccinated and it mutates to that? That is what scares me, and to me it is just not worth the risk of letting up on restrictions ATM[/quote]

*@Flaxmeadow* your second scenario makes absolutely no sense. How would compliance stop mutation? You could be 100% compliant for literally 100 years and it would still spread, still mutate, still kill.

Do you not understand that? Is that why people are acting so fucking crazy and believing that somehow wearing a piece of cloth is important?

@ThinkAboutItTomorrow

Interesting analysis in today's Guardian.

Astra Zeneca is only 60% effective against the delta variant after 2 doses. So that's 40% of the vulnerable still at risk if we let it run riot through the population.

In total only 32% of people at the moment can assume to be 'safe' based on vaccine rates and effectiveness. I can see why caution is needed.

But by this reasoning and assuming more varients to come I don't see a route out. If after double vaccinating the whole of the UK we're only 60% safe we're in and out of lockdown until the rest of the world is vaccinated. That'll take a couple of years even if it ramps up massively from the current pace.

I do agree with you but I think PHE have also said that they expect the AZ figure to eventually reach that of the Pfizer. But it takes longer to do so apparently. I know what you mean, though.

@PurpleLorry, Did your daughter have one or two doses? Sorry to read that she’s quite ill.

@PurpleLorry

must admit I was all for relaxing things

but my daughter, who is at university, has been vaccinated as have her friends

in her house this morning, half of them woke up ill and have just tested positive on lateral flow tests. They are getting PCR ones done now

and I know she is extremely cautious and has been vaccinated. So whatever this strain is, it must be bloody contagious! She's quite ill and trying to get treatment (she phoned the doctor) but the doctor cannot call back till Wednesday - she's asthmatic and needs steroids. It sounds like GPs are getting overwhelmed again......

Either it's very contagious or the vaccines are not as effective as Pfizer claimed.

Anyone who believed the 95% figure who looked at the supporting data is a fool.

@PurpleLorry

must admit I was all for relaxing things

but my daughter, who is at university, has been vaccinated as have her friends

in her house this morning, half of them woke up ill and have just tested positive on lateral flow tests. They are getting PCR ones done now

and I know she is extremely cautious and has been vaccinated. So whatever this strain is, it must be bloody contagious! She's quite ill and trying to get treatment (she phoned the doctor) but the doctor cannot call back till Wednesday - she's asthmatic and needs steroids. It sounds like GPs are getting overwhelmed again......

Has she called the pharmacy? They might be able to help.

Astra Zeneca is only 60% effective against the delta variant after 2 doses. So that's 40% of the vulnerable still at risk if we let it run riot through the population.

Can you please clarify and substantiate this. At risk of what?

Getting it?

Or dying of it?

It is a useless statistic unless you clarify what risk you are talking about

Why can't we just accept what the science is telling us and proceed with caution?

The science. This weird religion that seems to have developed over the last year - where everyone agrees and is all knowing.

The Science is not a homogenous, definitive thing, it is evolving and changing and DEBATED.

For every Science argument you present me about coronavirus, I could present an opposing one. You do get that don't you?

Those who say people cannot provide their own risk assessments because they are not doctors, why should this be any different from any other health concern where adults are permitted to make their own decisions? The government provides data on risks, etc and people decide for themselves what to do with that information (be that completely ignore it or follow it to the letter or something in the middle of the two). I’m thinking of things like smoking, eating junk food, alcohol, etc - the products contain information and/or warnings on the labels. We leave grown adults to decide for themselves whether to follow it or not. If the government believes you are capable of making your own decisions over something like smoking, then they should allow you to make your own decisions on COVID matters.

And lung cancer has a much higher mortality rate than COVID.

There’s not an awful lot we can’t do now is there (massive weddings and clubbing aside).

[quote CyberGhost]**@sparemonitor* as a fellow NHS worker I am yet to see anywhere where it says "mask exempt" in anyones* notes, even if they are?[/quote]
this is people saying on the phone or when they turn up that they are mask exempt, with no diagnosis on their notes that would indicate it. It's usually 'anxiety' which translates to 'like everyone else I find masks a bit uncomfortable but I'm too selfish to just put up with it so I'm going to say I'm exempt'. Generally no MH problems actually documented.

@hamstersarse

Why can't we just accept what the science is telling us and proceed with caution?

The science. This weird religion that seems to have developed over the last year - where everyone agrees and is all knowing.

The Science is not a homogenous, definitive thing, it is evolving and changing and DEBATED.

For every Science argument you present me about coronavirus, I could present an opposing one. You do get that don't you?

You look for what all the evidence is telling you, and generally it will lead to a broadly similar answer.

Of course you can always find an article or a lone academic trying to argue the opposite, but that is the case for everything in life. When you dig deeper into the evidence, you realise there's a reason the vast majority of scientists are converging around the same arguments.

STOP getting tested!

That is about all I need to say but I want to shout it from every last mountain top.

If people just stop getting tested then this arsehole of a government could only go on actual ill people, actually ill enough to need hospital care. The vulnerable are vaccinated. Those still not vaccinated or waiting a second dose are largely protected by virtue of their age. This whole thing must end. There are so many scientists and groups of experts shouting about data that doesn’t add up, highlighting major inconsistencies, too many to all be labelled conspiracy theorists. Even as they announce a further 4 week delay (which won’t be the end), less people are in hospital with covid than we have actual hospitals in the country. Less than 10 of the 1600 people who die in the U.K. everyday are dying of covid each day on average and yet still families abroad can’t be reunited, people can’t get married with all of their friends and family in attendance and businesses can’t open or run at full capacity for yet more weeks. Young people have given up so much of their lives and so have adults and yet nobody can have a well earned and needed overseas holiday.

It is now time to take our liberty back before it is lost forever.