Announcement tomorrow?

[Donatella]

Is there any definite plan for a formal announcement tomorrow of the plans for the next step? I haven't seen anything, just curious what time it will be (as that often indicates whether it will be major news or not!)

@Oblomov21

Says on the radio, delayed by a month. FGS. So irritating, because of their previous incompetence.

If you're talking about this governments ability to control our borders, I agree with you. I was amazed that it took them so long to do anything about the situation in India and even now it all seems very ineffectual.

The vaccine roll out seems to be the only vaguely competent thing that they've done so far.

6pm tonight the statement with BJ CW and JVT ...

A pp did the old chestnut of people breaking rules being the problem

How do you square that with government's own papers reporting 80% of it as HIA?

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/897526/S0471_SAGE_40_200603_SPI-M-O_Consensus_Statement.pdf

Doh HAI sorry.

@bollihigh

Johnson has squandered all of the British people's hard work, expense, innovation and suffering with his utter failure to control our borders at a vital time in our vaccination programme. That's got to worth another 5% uplift in the polls.

Australia had the most draconian boarder closures. Even closing the boarders to people that live there travelling back home. Guess what the Indian variant STILL got in to Australia and they are experiencing their 4th wave!

Boarder closures do not work!

border not boarder

The text should be ' sorry, everyone - I didn't listen about the cases in India, refused to shut the borders, pandered to my corrupt colleagues and as a result cases are rocketing so we cant end restrictions'.

Ideally followed by ' I am doing the decent thing and resigning'.

We can but dream @murbblurb And pigs will fly tonight!

I hope that in 5 years time, there will be an enquiry into this corrupt and incompetent government, with at the very least, a judgement of "corporate manslaughter" for sending COVID positive people into care/nursing homes where there was no COVID.

By that point Johnson will be on the after-dinner speech circuit, reeling in 10s of thousands of pounds for being the dangerous corrupt person that he is. Little short of murderous in fact, in his squandering of people's lives.

Guess what the Indian variant STILL got in to Australia and they are experiencing their 4th wave!

Just looking at Australia on Worldometers and I don't see anything resembling a 4th wave there. TBH I can't even see a 3rd wave on the graph. Australia seems to have had < 20 cases a day for several months.

What am I missing?

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

The vaccine roll out seems to be the only vaguely competent thing that they've done so far.

That's because it was handed over to the NHS to organise & do @knittingaddict Nowt to do with the government or its corrupt cronies.

Australia and New Zealand can't keep their borders closed forever. They risk a big wave of infections when they reopen. Will everyone get the vaccine there and how long would it take? They do have the advantages of being islands. Britain has NI and the eurotunnel for example. Heathrow is also a much busier international airport.

@IntoAir

The vaccine roll out seems to be the only vaguely competent thing that they've done so far.

That's because it was handed over to the NHS to organise & do @knittingaddict Nowt to do with the government or its corrupt cronies.

Was it though? Or is the venture capitalist better at strategy and efficiency?

www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n421

@Lottie4 I was in a supermarket the other day. A shop assistant was helping a customer with a suitable distance between them, and another customer barged her way between them (which would have been rude even pre COVID). The assistant asked her to step back and remember to keep their distance, and this customer turned round to her daughter who was with her and said "I'd forgotten about social distancing". Not quite sure how people can forget that social distancing is still a thing. They might not do it, but not sure how they can forget that it is still the rule.

Haven't read whole thread, so apologies if already debated.
But how the feck can they insist on keeping the "six people" only inside or two households when they have just had fuck knows how many people to the summit.
G7... That is 7 people before you count security details

It’s just so ridiculous they didn’t plan an extra step at this point from the get go. eg allow larger weddings and outdoor social gatherings, but give another 4-6 weeks before opening nightclubs, allowing people to mingle in bars, large concerts etc. It was obvious it was always going to be too much too fast going from only six people indoors to “no restrictions”. My poor cousin is due to get married the day before the new date for lifting restrictions - it’s crazy you can have 100 people in a pub garden but not 100 people seated at an outdoor wedding. It makes me very angry they haven’t made a new policy for weddings/funerals etc. And all the poor businesses who planned to open again, theatres and so on. Once again shafted with a few days notice.

And I’m not convinced the data remotely justifies the delay either, even with the Indian variant. The NHS is coping fine, hospitalised cases are typically milder than before and people aren’t dying.

Maybe they will announce that some things will go ahead like bigger numbers for outdoor weddings but not others? It doesn’t have to be an all or nothing situation.

And the wfh if you can rule... Doesn't seem to apply to government. They could have had a virtual summit, same as rest of us have to have virtual conferences

[quote BonnieDundee]www.rt.com/op-ed/526218-uk-freedom-day-restrictions/[/quote]
What I don’t understand is WHY. Why would the gov (and most of the world’s governments) want to tank the economy? I can’t understand what the conspiracy theorists think the government’s end game is?

@Theredjellybean

Haven't read whole thread, so apologies if already debated. But how the feck can they insist on keeping the "six people" only inside or two households when they have just had fuck knows how many people to the summit. G7... That is 7 people before you count security details

Well, in fairness, the actual work meetings part of the summit would have been exempt in the same way that I can go into my office with more than 5 other people.

The outdoor mingling with zero social distancing is a separate matter.

I don't think the Gov want to tank the economy but they are allowing a small cabal of scientists to frighten to death the public with their forecasts of doom - which have never been correct. The Government are then following public opinion instead of following actual stats.

Does that make me a conspiracy theorist because I think differently to you? Interesting.

@LaurieFairyCake

What are you wanging on about

I don't have any 'super human anti Covid shield' - I'm just double vaccinated

All I said literally was ' masks are horrible in the heat'

And you came back with 'better than being intubated'

WHICH WOULDNT FUCKING HAPPEN AS IVE BEEN DOUBLE VACCINATED!

You did NOT say 'what about everyone else you might infect'

You just gave a ridiculous inflammatory statement that I would be intubated!

Ffs debate properly

I will of course be wearing my uncomfortable mask to protect others as I have done all the way through

But I won't fucking be intubated

Hmmm, so what about the 12 people in the UK who have DIED OF DELTA VARIANT COVID AFTER BEING DOUBLE VACCINATED (to adopt your shouty caps). I have just a sneaking suspicion that some of those would have been ventilated before they sadly died (as well as likely having underlying conditions).

Not saying I agree with the poster to whom you were responding but you’re looking a bit pot/kettle in terms of accusing others of not debating properly….
www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/11/delta-variant-is-linked-to-90-of-covid-cases-in-uk

@steakandcheeseplease

I don't think the Gov want to tank the economy but they are allowing a small cabal of scientists to frighten to death the public with their forecasts of doom - which have never been correct. The Government are then following public opinion instead of following actual stats.

Does that make me a conspiracy theorist because I think differently to you? Interesting.

In a way, I agree.

Boris's achilles heel is that he is obsessed with being popular. This is a government ruled by social media, rather than having the guts to make difficult decisions

It's why in January he waited until parents were refusing to send their children to school and there was overwhelming demand to close schools rather than being decisive from the outset and why he waited until everyone was essentially begging for another lockdown.

This time, it's broadly similar. He's allowing for scientists to publicly share their catastrophic models so that the public can beg for an extension rather than him take that decision himself.

And the media have a lot to answer for as well. Literally yesterday, there was someone from Independent Sage claiming we could have upwards of 100k infections per day in less than a month - considering the majority has now been jabbed, and a significant element of that is double jabbed, how is this even possible? But the media aren't asking these questions.

I've still yet to work out why Professor Ferguson is still so influential when literally everything he's ever done has been proven to be dramatically wrong!

I have four nieces and nephews all involved in medical research and my brother and his wife are both retired pharmaceutical scientists who were involved with drug development. I know just how much stats can be presented to suit the occasion

That's very honest of you, Auntienumber8, especially on a forum where it's constantly insisted that "the experts" are completely impartial and somehow immune to the influence - be it political or anything else - of those paying them

I don't think the Gov want to tank the economy

Of course they don't, they're Tories!

girasol the NHS have stated that the 12 deaths of fully vaccinated people have all been in people also suffering from "profound co-morbitities".

We really should be celebrating how well the vaccine in working. The fact that cases are rising but deaths are not rising accordingly is very good news.

Bandito they make a fortune out of disaster capitalism. It is big money.

There is still money flowing in from many sources. And little sign of people objecting to measures.

I think a lot of people, if questions are genuine, would find it useful to read Laura Dodsworth State Of Fear book.

The first thing I was taught about at school re the Wall Street Crash - there is no game in the world in which everybody loses.