Announcement tomorrow?

[Donatella]

Is there any definite plan for a formal announcement tomorrow of the plans for the next step? I haven't seen anything, just curious what time it will be (as that often indicates whether it will be major news or not!)

[ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia]

No surprise as expected but Boris Johnson announces Freedom Day to be pushed back by a month.

Will it be just a month or same old same old last minute u turns again and again and again....?

What is “Freedom Day”? Anyone jailed for Covid?

www.gbnews.uk/news/boris-johnson-announces-freedom-day-to-be-pushed-back-by-a-month/105679

[MarshaBradyo]

@Snapemalloy

I just think this whole thing would be better if they had levelled with people right from the start and said look. We don't know. We don't know when this thing will be "over" because it depends on a million different factors and a global response. Here are some possible scenarios and here is what we are aiming for.

They do know some things and state the unknowns

Usually, but it’s Whitty and Vallance are better at this

Personally I prefer it in stages with aims

Just a we don’t know would have felt too depressing. But we’re all different so others may prefer your version

[Unsure33]

@Snapemalloy

It was always always said June 21 was earliest with provisos.

Some people just have cloth ears .

[DumplingsAndStew]

@Snapemalloy

I just think this whole thing would be better if they had levelled with people right from the start and said look. We don't know. We don't know when this thing will be "over" because it depends on a million different factors and a global response. Here are some possible scenarios and here is what we are aiming for.

Sceptics don't accept "we don't know". They'd just make it up.

[Unsure33]

@socalledfriend

He made one mistake . He literally just flew from cornwall to Brussels and back for the conference . Give the guy a break

[Snapemalloy]

I just think this whole thing would be better if they had levelled with people right from the start and said look. We don't know. We don't know when this thing will be "over" because it depends on a million different factors and a global response. Here are some possible scenarios and here is what we are aiming for.

[Curlygirl06]

@TFISunny

Did Boris mean to say July 29th? I thought the delay was until the 19th.

Yes I thought that as it's my dad's birthday, hence why I specifically noticed it.

[Donatella]

I think he misspoke. Every other time he has said a date he has said 19th.

[socalledfriend]

@TFISunny

Did Boris mean to say July 29th? I thought the delay was until the 19th.

He definitely said 29th. I have subtitles on and that's what they said too.

He's a fucking idiot. He can't even tell people the right bloody dates.

[PuzzledObserver]

@bumbleymummy

What about the deaths in the non vaccinated people? We’re they suffering from profound comorbidities too or are we just supposed to focus on the fact that they were unvaccinated?

In the absence of further information, I would assume it was similar to the profile of people who died of Covid before we had vaccines: people with comorbidities overrepresented, but some with no known preexisting health issue.

[bumbleymummy]

No, but they’re counting them as COVID deaths and telling us how many of those people had been double vaccinated. This has scared some people because then they start to question whether a double vaccine is protective if people are still dying despite being vaccinated. Now we’re told that those double vaccinated people actually had ‘profound comorbities’ presumably to reassure us that a double vaccine is still effective for most people. I’m just wondering why they can’t tell us whether the non-vaccinated people who died also had ‘profound comorobidites’. If they did then their vaccine status makes little difference so it does make you wonder if that bit of information is being left out to encourage people to get their two jabs.

[MarshaBradyo]

@Snapemalloy

Just so pointless announcing dates. As this whole debacle has proved people set store by them and are then wildly disappointed when they are inevitably delayed.

I know people get disappointed but no date would feel harder to me - just a personal feeling

[Donatella]

It seems I was right about the exemption for weddings!

[Pootle40]

@Snapemalloy

Just so pointless announcing dates. As this whole debacle has proved people set store by them and are then wildly disappointed when they are inevitably delayed.

Exactly

[Snapemalloy]

Just so pointless announcing dates. As this whole debacle has proved people set store by them and are then wildly disappointed when they are inevitably delayed.

[Pootle40]

@bumbleymummy

What about the deaths in the non vaccinated people? We’re they suffering from profound comorbidities too or are we just supposed to focus on the fact that they were unvaccinated?

But we don't know why these people died, they just happened to have Covid in the 28 days before they died. How do we know the relevance of whether they were vaccinated?

[ineedaholidaynow]

He did mumble the 29th at one point, but he obviously meant the 19th

[PawsQueen]

The thing is, they say profound co morbidity - I kind of wish we knew what they were
Because I'm group 4, CEV and selfishly yes I shielded and then was happy to get the vaccine for my own protection (and others) but if it won't work for me then.. what now? Yes I know we can't lock down forever but on an individual level I'm a bit.. meh? If that makes sense

[PicsInRed]

What's with the incredibly tame public questions?

We all know there are much more pointed questions to ask. It's such transparently staged nonsense.

[MarshaBradyo]

@TFISunny

Did Boris mean to say July 29th? I thought the delay was until the 19th.

Yes I think July 19th

Bit tough to listen to tonight

[CrunchyCarrot]

@bumbleymummy

What about the deaths in the non vaccinated people? We’re they suffering from profound comorbidities too or are we just supposed to focus on the fact that they were unvaccinated?

A very good question.

[TFISunny]

Did Boris mean to say July 29th? I thought the delay was until the 19th.

[bumbleymummy]

What about the deaths in the non vaccinated people? We’re they suffering from profound comorbidities too or are we just supposed to focus on the fact that they were unvaccinated?

[PaulaStrandsDebut]

@carrythecan

girasol the NHS have stated that the 12 deaths of fully vaccinated people have all been in people also suffering from "profound co-morbitities".

We really should be celebrating how well the vaccine in working. The fact that cases are rising but deaths are not rising accordingly is very good news.

That is indeed fantastic news.

I'm happy to postpone opening up things further. Everyone can meet with everyone now as long as they stick to the rules and remain sensible. Soon it's the summer holidays and even more people will have had their first and second doses. Softly, softly now just for a little longer. Frankly, I don't mind wearing masks in shops, and I am very happy to socially distance with people who are not my family or in my household.

It would be horrendous to have another full blown lockdown and if taking things slowly now means that we prevent further full LD, I'm all for it.

I have followed the rules to the letter. I know that when cases go up again, I will no longer comply and I know enough people who followed the rules who will arrange discrete playdates or come over for sensible small scale socialising.

[sirfredfredgeorge]

but ONLY if most of the rest of the world has been double vaccinated by then

It is impossible for the rest of the world to be double vaccinated by then.

so that's an utterly pointless prediction