Data, Stats Thread June 11

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UK govt pressers Slides & data

www.gov.uk/government/collections/slides-and-datasets-to-accompany-coronavirus-press-conferences#history

Data Dashboard coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Covid 19 Genomics www.cogconsortium.uk/tools-analysis/public-data-analysis-2/
Covid 19 Variant Mapping Sanger Institute covid19.sanger.ac.uk/lineages/raw
NHS Vaccination data www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-vaccinations/
Global vaccination data ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
R estimates UK & English regions www.gov.uk/guidance/the-r-number-in-the-uk
Imperial UK weekly LAs, cases / 100k, table, map, hotspots statistics imperialcollegelondon.github.io/covid19local/#map
NHS England Hospital activity www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/
NHs England Daily deaths www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
Cases Tracker England Local Government lginform.local.gov.uk/reports/view/lga-research/covid-19-case-tracker
ONS MSAO Map English deaths www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
CovidMessenger live update by council area in England www.covidmessenger.com/
Scot gov Daily data www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-data-for-scotland/
Scotland TravellingTabby LAs, care homes, hospitals, tests, t&t www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/
PH Wales LAs, cases, tests, deaths Dashboard public.tableau.com/profile/public.health.wales.health.protection#!/vizhome/RapidCOVID-19virology-Public/Headlinesummary
ICNRC Intensive Care National Audit & Research reports www.icnarc.org/Our-Audit/Audits/Cmp/Reports
NHS t&t England & UK testing Weekly stats www.gov.uk/government/collections/nhs-test-and-trace-statistics-england-weekly-reports
PHE Surveillance reports & LA Local Watchlist Maps by LSOA (from last summer) www.gov.uk/government/collections/nhs-test-and-trace-statistics-england-weekly-reports
ONS England infection surveillance report each Friday www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/previousReleases
Datasets for ONS surveillance reports www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/datasets/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveydata/2020
ONS Roundup deaths, infections & economic reports www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26
Zoe UK data covid.joinzoe.com/data#interactive-map
ECDC (European Centre for Disease Control rolling 14-day incidence EEA & UK www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea
Worldometer UK page www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
Our World in Data GB test positivity etc, DIY country graphs ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/united-kingdom?country=~GBR
FT DIY graphs compare deaths, cases, raw / million pop ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=eur&areas=usa&areas=bra&areas=gbr&areas=cze&areas=hun&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usnj&areasRegional=usaz&areasRegional=usca&areasRegional=usnd&areasRegional=ussd&cumulative=0&logScale=0&per100K=1&startDate=2020-09-01&values=deaths
PHE local health data fingertips.phe.org.uk/profile/health-profiles
Alama Personal COVID risk assessment alama.org.uk/covid-19-medical-risk-assessment/
Local Mobility Reports for countries www.google.com/covid19/mobility/
UK Highstreet Tracker for cities & large towns Footfall, spend index, workers, visitors, economic recovery www.centreforcities.org/data/high-streets-recovery-tracker/

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[quote TheSunIsStillShining]@EasterIssland
I was basing my gut feeling on the overall stat of 10-30% of ppl who caught covid go on to develop long covid.

But agree with any/everyone who says more data is needed for a valid conclusion and decision.[/quote]
Thanks. I know there is a few clinics going to be opened accross the country but I’ve not seen stats. I’d expect the number being lower as most kids are asymptomatic

It is difficult isnt it Myocarditis can go away or it can cause long term damage or death so isnt something to be taken lightly.

The risk of death in that age range is very very low so it becomes about Long Covid - and I think that is where you really do need to knuckle down into what it means. If you are talking about the debilitating multi organ damaging life limiting side then of course it is worth it. Fatigue maybe not.

It is an incredibly difficult one to balance the 12-15 years old and one I dont think we are quite ready yet to make

Anecdata klaxon

I know around 60 people that have had Covid, ranging from my close family to acquaintances. Age from 70s to 10.

I know of 2 who have Long Covid. One still gets breathless going upstairs, was a mild case.

The second had 2 nights in hospital, in his 60s and very over weight. He did attend Long Covid clinics (had covid in October) but he's fine now and doesn't go any more.

So very few in my experience.

It's very hard to define what it is and it must be a spectrum for sure.

@Quartz2208

It is difficult isnt it Myocarditis can go away or it can cause long term damage or death so isnt something to be taken lightly.

The risk of death in that age range is very very low so it becomes about Long Covid - and I think that is where you really do need to knuckle down into what it means. If you are talking about the debilitating multi organ damaging life limiting side then of course it is worth it. Fatigue maybe not.

It is an incredibly difficult one to balance the 12-15 years old and one I dont think we are quite ready yet to make

I think it is really difficult because it is not necessarily about direct effect on health, but also the indirect effects of very high Covid spread within schools in this age group, which brings about the mental and physical effects of repeated unpredictable isolations.

It's an interesting thing @ILookAtTheFloor
Around 10 of my friends had covid, and about 8 of their kids (12-17).
2 long covid, with heart problems 8+ months own the line and one shows no sign of improving.
1 LC kid with 3= months of constant serious skin problems. not likely to go fully away ever. (hope it will)
1 young adult 3 weeks in hospital, she does have underlying thyroid condition.
4 more were off sick for more than 4 weeks, but no hospital.

So in my world, this is a virus that really fucks up your life and the kids are nowhere near as safe as we are being told.

I see the overall stats, so yes, I understand that it is more complex than what I see. But when it comes to vax my kid or not, I am swayed by my personal experience and he will get it on Monday.
I'd like to think that I'd make the same choice if I didn't have these experiences, but will never know.

As someone who has seen fatigue wreak havoc with some kids education and then life chances I really wouldn't underestimate the consequences of fatigue in teenagers tbh.

I hope Ds gets re offered. For some reason it was rescinded before we could get an appointment. He’s 16 and mild asthma. Not sure about 11 year old

I mean 11 is 12 of course - tbh I’m ok with decision they make and to offer. I just wish some of the other harms could be reduced by making it sooner than later

@MarshaBradyo

I hope Ds gets re offered. For some reason it was rescinded before we could get an appointment. He’s 16 and mild asthma. Not sure about 11 year old

I think they should open it up to 16 and 17 year olds. 17 year got it Uni in Scotland. Young for the year 17 year olds will be going to uni in Sept in the rest of the U.K.

Go to*

I think they might be opening it up to 16/17yos round here. At any rate apparently a friend off dd's who is 18yo in September got the text today. She isn't vulnerable nor has vulnerable people at home.

Is it just boys affected ? Why is that?

Oh blimey just saw the relevant post on risk sorry, that is difficult

Ooh I do hope so! The first dose squeezed in prior to university would be great. Don’t suppose you know if that’s via her GP or nhs?

I was looking at youtube videos and found a new favourite from a 2020.12.06 concert in Tokyo.
I cannot help but feel jealous*. Their biggest spike was way smaller than our numbers are now.
I can understand why they feel like the Olympics can go ahead, but I don't think they anticipate the cultural difference and non-compliance.
*Also would love to see this act live at one point, preferably in Japan :)

@NotDonna

Ooh I do hope so! The first dose squeezed in prior to university would be great. Don’t suppose you know if that’s via her GP or nhs?

Via GP. She was the only one to get the text. They've been rushing through the 18/19yos though.

Children's A&E being overwhelmed (non covid stuff like RSV, bronchiolitis): www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57583733.
It's written up as bad, but it is surely a good thing to get this set seen before winter gets the next age group?
It also seems a bit unfair to suggest it's just worried parents; under 2s are normally sent in from any 111 call.

I thought the worried parents thing was unfair as well Mrex, not least because both kids I know who have gone to A&E were admitted. As you say 111 seem to default to go to hospital with young kids.

Winter viruses are riff at dd's nursery but no covid as yet. It did have to happen at some point and it does feel better to get it done now

Riff? Rife!

It's written up as bad, but it is surely a good thing to get this set seen before winter gets the next age group?

What does "seen" mean here, a visit to a&e today for something that doesn't need a visit to a&e doesn't stop another visit in the future with something else, it can even make a visit more likely depending on how the parent felt about the visit?

What I'd really like to see is a comparison to a&e visit stats for other times, the 72% not seriously unwell sounds completely normal with only 25% of all a&e being admitted and I imagine kids are normally more likely to visit as you say on the 111 advice. I can't find any though.

By "seen", I mean the kids getting RSV / bronchiolitis badly enough to go to A&E. They'll generally only get many of these bugs once, so each trip now is one fewer in future. On future visit likelihood, I'd say bring sent in trained me to read online NHS stuff for reassurance rather than call 111 for reassurance. Appreciate others might enjoy plastic chairs in a too-hot building with a poorly child who you can't even allow to sleep because of being seen, we're all different.

Interesting article in the Telegraph today about how the UK is being punished for its transparency, when we test 10x as many people a day than Germany..

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/24/britain-punished-germanys-restrictions-mass-testing-strategy/

Many 1st time parents will ha got to 18 months maybe even close to 2 without their child being ill.

It must be quite a shock when they are and if 111 advises you to go to A&E then you do, even when you know it may not be necessary.

I remember then making us go because DS had hurt his head a week or so before. He was unwell because of an ear infection and I wanted to see the GP - in hindsight I should have answered the questions differently. They knew (I would hope) and I knew A&E wasn't needed but the computer said yes. As a parent I had to follow the advice even though I felt so bad I was wasting time.

And I remember the days of worry as my kids temps used to spike really high.

Their immune systems have some catching up to do.

when we test 10x as many people a day than Germany..

Given only 14% of the LFD's have been registered, then I imagine the genuine figures on tests are quite a bit higher as I imagine a lot of that is used but not registered.

It is worrying, but I do also think 111 are over-cautious and there should be some sort of pragmatic medical advice helpline that doesn't send you to hospital regardless. For example, we didn't know what we could safely give DS when he had norovirus as a little one; we both had it too so I wanted to give water as well as breastmilk for my own sake but wondered if he could have dioralytes with it, and if so how much, so called 111. 30 min drive to hospital was mandated (we were away) to be told breastmilk or water with dioralytes, and 30 min drive back. 3 of us with norovirus, you can imagine how fun that was.