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Data, Stats Thread June 11

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PatriciaHolm · 11/06/2021 15:05

UK govt pressers Slides & data

www.gov.uk/government/collections/slides-and-datasets-to-accompany-coronavirus-press-conferences#history

Data Dashboard coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Covid 19 Genomics www.cogconsortium.uk/tools-analysis/public-data-analysis-2/
Covid 19 Variant Mapping Sanger Institute covid19.sanger.ac.uk/lineages/raw
NHS Vaccination data www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-vaccinations/
Global vaccination data ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
R estimates UK & English regions www.gov.uk/guidance/the-r-number-in-the-uk
Imperial UK weekly LAs, cases / 100k, table, map, hotspots statistics imperialcollegelondon.github.io/covid19local/#map
NHS England Hospital activity www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/
NHs England Daily deaths www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
Cases Tracker England Local Government lginform.local.gov.uk/reports/view/lga-research/covid-19-case-tracker
ONS MSAO Map English deaths www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
CovidMessenger live update by council area in England www.covidmessenger.com/
Scot gov Daily data www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-data-for-scotland/
Scotland TravellingTabby LAs, care homes, hospitals, tests, t&t www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/
PH Wales LAs, cases, tests, deaths Dashboard public.tableau.com/profile/public.health.wales.health.protection#!/vizhome/RapidCOVID-19virology-Public/Headlinesummary
ICNRC Intensive Care National Audit & Research reports www.icnarc.org/Our-Audit/Audits/Cmp/Reports
NHS t&t England & UK testing Weekly stats www.gov.uk/government/collections/nhs-test-and-trace-statistics-england-weekly-reports
PHE Surveillance reports & LA Local Watchlist Maps by LSOA (from last summer) www.gov.uk/government/collections/nhs-test-and-trace-statistics-england-weekly-reports
ONS England infection surveillance report each Friday www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/previousReleases
Datasets for ONS surveillance reports www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/datasets/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveydata/2020
ONS Roundup deaths, infections & economic reports www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26
Zoe UK data covid.joinzoe.com/data#interactive-map
ECDC (European Centre for Disease Control rolling 14-day incidence EEA & UK www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea
Worldometer UK page www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
Our World in Data GB test positivity etc, DIY country graphs ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/united-kingdom?country=~GBR
FT DIY graphs compare deaths, cases, raw / million pop ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=eur&areas=usa&areas=bra&areas=gbr&areas=cze&areas=hun&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usnj&areasRegional=usaz&areasRegional=usca&areasRegional=usnd&areasRegional=ussd&cumulative=0&logScale=0&per100K=1&startDate=2020-09-01&values=deaths
PHE local health data fingertips.phe.org.uk/profile/health-profiles
Alama Personal COVID risk assessment alama.org.uk/covid-19-medical-risk-assessment/
Local Mobility Reports for countries www.google.com/covid19/mobility/
UK Highstreet Tracker for cities & large towns Footfall, spend index, workers, visitors, economic recovery www.centreforcities.org/data/high-streets-recovery-tracker/

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TruelyonelastSchlep · 19/06/2021 20:50

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TruelyonelastSchlep · 19/06/2021 20:51

How ever did I manage to post one of them twice

Ignore the third oneGrin

TruelyonelastSchlep · 19/06/2021 20:52

@EasterIssland

“ Easy to do the maths.”

Same way you were doing maths few weeks ago and we told you I’d not happen and you told us we liked having the heads down in the sand and not seeing the reality. Would be nice you went back to the thread and apologised to us. But I know there was noise and the reality didn’t go as you expected but as we expected to go

MRex · 19/06/2021 21:04

I've done some maths. Without vaccinating any teenagers, we cannot reach the 80% of safe herd immunity by vaccination alone. However we don't have just vaccines but also some natural immunity.

  1. ONS will naturally overstate immunity because it's based on 16+ and compliant people, their 80% immunity is based on 68m - 13m max children under 16 = 55m = 44m of 68m immune.
  2. But we can assume 10% of kids have immunity, so that's 45.3 of 68m.
  3. 2m hidden extra population = 45.3m of 70m immune.
  4. 10% reduction to their figures for those who don't comply with anything including stuff like ONS testing but haven't been infected yet = 40.8m of 70m
  5. BUT they are based on 3rd May tests, so go back to 19th April first doses to see how many have been jabbed since and add extra cases that's 10.2m roughly. So 51m of 70m, 73%.
  6. We have 7% still to go. Say we jab 5m more, that's 56m of 70m = 80%.

5m new first dose jabs or infections to go. Plausible.

Avocadowoman · 19/06/2021 21:08

ONS tests children too. Over 2s I think. My 5 yr old is tested.

sirfredfredgeorge · 19/06/2021 21:33

We have 7% still to go

The problem with this - is how do you get Truelyonelaststep's graphs of cases with so much damping. Same rate, we have similar restrictions, actually slightly more restrictions now without students being on campus probably - yet you're saying 73% protected is growing at the same rate overall as maybe 12% in September?

That requires a transmission advantage of delta of over 300%, no-one's suggested that?

So I think your numbers are pretty optimistic - however I also think that we are detecting a much higher proportion of cases (which actually means the lower hospitalisations in true's graph isn't necessarily as impressive) so maybe not that optimistic, but I'm not sure how.

MarshaBradyo · 19/06/2021 21:37

This is a basic question and I know these good posts probably cover it already

But do people think nearly children will likely get it at some point?

Eg in September when we go back and society is open (not even sure what’s happening with isolation)

Wakeupin2022 · 19/06/2021 21:41

Marsha yes! There's not the doses yet.

Maybe I misheard but I thought whitty imied they may chose to vaccinate over 12s who are considered to be at risk of Covid?

MarshaBradyo · 19/06/2021 21:45

By ‘it’ I meant Covid probably unclear!

True Wakeup

MRex · 19/06/2021 21:56

@sirfredfredgeorge

We have 7% still to go

The problem with this - is how do you get Truelyonelaststep's graphs of cases with so much damping. Same rate, we have similar restrictions, actually slightly more restrictions now without students being on campus probably - yet you're saying 73% protected is growing at the same rate overall as maybe 12% in September?

That requires a transmission advantage of delta of over 300%, no-one's suggested that?

So I think your numbers are pretty optimistic - however I also think that we are detecting a much higher proportion of cases (which actually means the lower hospitalisations in true's graph isn't necessarily as impressive) so maybe not that optimistic, but I'm not sure how.

We still need immunity for those vaccinated in the last few weeks plus second dose catch-up, plus the 5m. Until then covid outbreaks are inevitable and they'll trickle out into different areas, particularly for young adults and teenagers. My point wasn't addressing cases now, but whether it would be feasible to reach herd immunity.

I don't think transmission is that much worse, but detection is higher and hospitalisation rates might be worse.

MRex · 19/06/2021 22:00

@MarshaBradyo

By ‘it’ I meant Covid probably unclear!

True Wakeup

In cities at least, yes if they aren't jabbed by the end of next winter they will all get it.
MarshaBradyo · 19/06/2021 22:05

Ok thanks MRex I suspected that but wasn’t sure

MRex · 19/06/2021 22:12

Well, maybe I'm pessimistic there, if we did reach adult herd immunity and minimal travel then it could be lower. London though... I don't see it being avoidable long-term.

EasterIssland · 20/06/2021 00:06

People who have received both Covid-19 jabs may soon no longer have to self-isolate for 10 days after having come into contact with a person infected with the virus.

The health secretary, Matt Hancock, is said to be pushing for the replacement of self-isolation with daily testing – a policy that may come into effect soon, subject to approval from Chris Whitty, England’s chief medical officer, which will depend on the results of a trial involving 40,000 people, the Times reported.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/19/uk-pushes-for-fully-vaccinated-to-be-exempt-from-covid-self-isolation

EducatingArti · 20/06/2021 07:37

twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1406186581346631681?s=19

Concerning study about how Covid can affect the brain!

MRex · 20/06/2021 07:47

I've found during covid that each time I learn a new word, in this case "neurotropism", I wish I had remained in blissful ignorance.

alreadytaken · 20/06/2021 08:20

I'm afraid this makes no sense to me " I'd already reference Israel - they were fully locked down so there was no community spread when they opened up, without any community spread it doesn't matter if anyone is vaccinated - just like there were few cases in July-September in 2020 without any vaccinations here in the UK."

Obviously once you open up you get community spread if there is still virus floating around. This is a seasonal virus, to a limited extent, so you get less of it in summer.

@MRex ONS data underestimates, not overestimates, the number of people with antibodies because they sample the co-operative. Non-compliant people are more likely to have been exposed to the virus and have some degree of natural immunity.

Children were not often tested until September last year. Anyone's guess how many were infected during that wave since they werent in school but the number of children who have already been infected is generally underestimated.

The way that hotspots increase and then drop back show exactly what you would expect with high and rising levels of antibodies in the population. The virus finds less people to infect and gradually dies back. This is now a self limiting problem unless there is a vaccine evading variant - but the faster vaccines can be placed into arms the fewer people risk hospitalisation and long covid and the more the NHS can get on with the backlog of other health care. .

MRex · 20/06/2021 08:25

@MRexONS data underestimates, not overestimates, the number of people with antibodies because they sample the co-operative. Non-compliant people are more likely to have been exposed to the virus and have some degree of natural immunity.
Not quite how I was using it. I took the seroprevalence figures, which includes vaccinated and infected. The percentage who've been infected is likely higher than average population, as you say, but the percentage vaccinated is likely lower. So to scale the ONS 80% immunity it's a reduction. You can argue my figures on how much to scale it, estimates are just estimates, but it definitely goes down.

Piggywaspushed · 20/06/2021 08:27

I have no idea where 'you no longer need to SI for 10 days if double jabbed' leaves schools still. The lack of coherent policy making is desperately concerning.

MarshaBradyo · 20/06/2021 08:31

If everyone is free not to isolate but children, who at lowest risk, still have to - that would be crazy. Especially as they’ll all probably get it anyway (in cities at least) at some point it merely slows down process at huge cost.

Hopefully they’ll remember children are being put through this stuff whilst rest of society gains freedom.

Firefliess · 20/06/2021 08:34

@EducatingArti

twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1406186581346631681?s=19

Concerning study about how Covid can affect the brain!

I was reading that. Is quite alarming. It's not yet peer reviewed though and there seems to be quite a bit of criticism of the methods and conclusions on Twitter by people who understand this field better than me. See twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1406376699680460804?s=19
Firefliess · 20/06/2021 08:37

@Piggywaspushed

I have no idea where 'you no longer need to SI for 10 days if double jabbed' leaves schools still. The lack of coherent policy making is desperately concerning.
Agree completely. I think the focus is purely on the economy - workers can go to work each day, even if they're a contact (unless they're 16/17 of course and therefore not a real person....) Presumably allows teachers to keep teaching whilst their classes are sent home Confused
Piggywaspushed · 20/06/2021 08:38

I'm not optimistic about that marsha. Gavin's latest vanity project is bashing the Arts. He isn't interested in schools at all.

MarshaBradyo · 20/06/2021 08:40

Piggy I hope his disinterest translates to not bothering to isolate dc then or do much of anything else

They are all hopeless but at least stop putting huge costs on dc, it’s crazy

They’ve all got sidetracked by football and G7 and forgotten children are being impacted

alreadytaken · 20/06/2021 08:51

To help those trying to estimate current numbers with resistance to infection - ONS estimates that the age 16 group went up 5% between 20 and 26 May (to 31%). The age 17 increased by about 6% to 36.7%., age 18 up to 42%.

Not everyone developed antibodies in response to past infection as some fight it off without ever doing so. This was discussed at length in the past. These figures therefore understate those with some resistance to infection.

Although clearly some people dont want to believe it the evidence from other countries is that infections in children drop substantially when enough adults are vaccinated. Therefore it doesnt follow that all children will be infected, although I agree London may be different because of the different age mix of the population.