Why is hardly anyone talking about the total failure if track and trace?

[Moonme]

I started a thread a few weeks ago saying how angry I was with the government for letting the delta variant in but I’m even more cross now it’s so wide spread in so many areas. With our ‘world beating’ test and trace should we not have been able to keep on top of cases and stop the wider spread? Where has the billions of pounds been spent?
Hardly anyone seems to be mentioning this on any media outlets. Why aren’t we holding this government to account for this?

Typo in title ‘of’

Nothing seems to stick to the hideous Dido creature.

Because nobody ever even ‘wanted’ it anyway. There are obvious flaws in the idea that allow ‘escape’ to happen. The only way it works is if u allow contacts of contacts of contacts to be tracked. You are relying on millions of people’s honesty if you already have more than just a few cases. The effort that goes into that, u might as well just lockdown areas or whole country. The only way it would work is if it was TRACK and trace, not TEST and trace, and with capital punishment as a deterrent 😂

It only works if u are going for strict ZERO covid and you need more accurate tests and understanding of transmission/incubation periods. Aren’t China using feacel tests?

Nothing seems to stick to the hideous Dido creature.

Helpful, informative and interesting 😂😴

@WuhanClanAintNothingToFuckWith I don’t agree with that. People said the same about lockdowns before it happened and there was high compliance with that.
They can’t take billions of pounds from the public purse and then blame it on the public for it not working

@WuhanClanAintNothingToFuckWith we had very low transmission before the delta variant came in.
We should have been able to keep on top of it better with such an expensive system in place already. They don’t have the excuse of the first lockdown that they weren’t ready

Because they hope it will disappear so they can appoint her in charge of the NHS as the person who was in charge has stepped down.

@Clutterbugsmum sadly you are probably correct.

You only have to read threads on here to realise that one of the reasons for failure is the refusal of some members of the public to isolate when asked to.

I'm not sure how they can improve it, as it requires public consent.

Here's a naughty story:
My sister's school (she's a teacher) was rife with the dreaded plague before Xmas. She visited my mum and dad and nan (the latter had received her 1st dose by then but still). My sis was paranoid so wore a mask, visor and kept her distance.

The next day, due to her paranoia, she went to get an LFT. No symptoms at all. Well, it was positive.

She told all our family and my mum implored her not to name them as contacts as she had already endured 2 isolations (much more exposed) and didn't want to over Xmas as they wanted to drop and run presents to us on a doorstep visit on Xmas day (we were also isolating ho ho ho). My sis didnt name anyone.

So, as you can see, how can the gov improve that?

Money, I guess some would say but can you imagine the fraud potential?

'hey mate, I hear your covid +, what a bummer, anyway, I fancy £500 so how about say we shared a car yesterday? Tell t&t. Cheers bruv"

What can the gov actually do?!

It would need “tightening” up for it to work with UK economy. We would need I.D cards or microchipping, or everyone carry a smartphone. People who needed to work, needed paying, needed their kids at school, needed their friends to not be upset at them, needed to keep a party/illegal gathering secret/ or breach of workplace regs wouldn’t conform. Sometimes if u just couldn’t be arsed you’d think (or say to your friends ... “nah, won’t do any harm if just us cop out”. This would happen on a large scale (68 million people).

Do u want I.D cards, tracking and harsher punishment?

They can’t take billions of pounds from the public purse and then blame it on the public for it not working

I haven’t heard ‘them’ blame it on the public? Have you?

I read earlier (not sure it’s actually true!) that the cost of vaccinating the entire world will be less than the UK government spent on t&t. £38bn. Totally Insane amount of money.

Most countries have had difficulties with their track and trace systems. They either require voluntary cooperation of the whole population, or what we consider infringement of civil liberties.

There would need to be a lot of police raids on illegal immigrants, illegal workplaces and hostels and identity fraud. We are the UK with a different geographical location, movement of people, different economy (think about that and how it works) and have our privacy and civil liberations 🙂

It hardly works at all really, does it?

I was recently in an M & S café where you bought your food and coffee first and then scanned the QR code as you sat down at the table. It absolutely wouldn't scan at all and there were no staff near enough to help so I just looked as if I had scanned it and got on with my lunch. I'm not leaving it when I have paid for it. Fuck that.

DH and DD1 also had the same issue in a Wetherspoons pub when they went for lunch after he had helped her move house.

Perhaps Boris meant it was to be world beatingly crap??

@WuhanClanAintNothingToFuckWith
Erm yes... several times

It’s an indefensible scandal, haemorrhaging money paying consultants £1000 a day, does anyone find that acceptable?

The responses on this thread are exactly how Bozo wants it to play out, it’s clearly entirely the public’s fault- no one at the top is accountable. If Dildo Harding gets in as head of the NHS I will be incandescent with rage... just as everyone else should be.

I’m Deaf I’ve no idea how they would speak to me. There is no where on the app to tick don’t ring me email or text. Apparently they would ring you up to 20 times a day until you answered, that would have been fun. Same with checking into places no option for don’t ring me when they just want your number. Surely not much ask when costs so much.

@WuhanClanAintNothingToFuckWith Let’s take your argument and rephrase my questions then. Why did the government spend billions of pounds on something that would never work in the UK...

I think everyone has very easily answered your question there. It’s bollocks 🙂

It was never going to work anyhow.

@Moonme

Why are u twisting yourself in knots? Political blame game. Yes they tried it at the beginning when we were desperate to protect our economy. It didn’t work though. If we hadn’t have at least tried it, when rates were low and we didn’t even understand transmission, how could we have even had this conversation now?

Contacts of contacts of contacts of contacts of contacts ... and on and on and ariston 😂

We are not China.
We are not NZ
We are not Aus
We are not Japan
We are not Vietnam
We are not Africa

Glad we’re not fucking India