Why is hardly anyone talking about the total failure if track and trace?

[Moonme]

I started a thread a few weeks ago saying how angry I was with the government for letting the delta variant in but I’m even more cross now it’s so wide spread in so many areas. With our ‘world beating’ test and trace should we not have been able to keep on top of cases and stop the wider spread? Where has the billions of pounds been spent?
Hardly anyone seems to be mentioning this on any media outlets. Why aren’t we holding this government to account for this?

That would be a leading question!

Track and trace failed because it wasn’t implemented early enough. They gave up quite quickly on the idea.

As for testing - we’ve spent a bollock load on shitty lateral flow tests that only pick up about 60% of cases. Issued them willy nilly and people think a lateral flow test is enough reassurance.

It’s disgusting.

@WuhanClanAintNothingToFuckWith

You only have to realise that it is the governments abject failure to support those in insecure low paid jobs to self isolate when required that has meant that track and trace was never going to work

That would be very open to abuse though wouldn’t it. Incentives to catch covid. Crikey people would be having a covid party, catching it deliberately to ‘rake it in’. Whole families, workplaces, groups of friends 😂

And it would still cost less than track and trace.

Why is hardly anyone talking about the total failure if track and trace

Because other than going "wow that was a shit load of money spent on a heap of crap" most people don't really care.

Hardly anyone seems to be mentioning this on any media outlets

Because the Tory donors own the media

Why aren’t we holding this government to account for this?
Because people listen to the continuous Tory donor driven media that drives the narrative the Tory donors want

All you are doing is whinging! Just whining! Nothing else, just moaning. Are u crying too? Any point you make, or answer to your own questions, say, “the government are shit” nothing else, at all. No substance, no good points to make, nothing constructive, same old shit.

Come on we’ve have had, what, over 6 years of this shit now since Brexit. It’s getting so wearing I literally can’t cope with it anymore. “Boris is gaslighting us” No he’s fucking not. “They think we’re plebs” well u fucking sound like one! “It’s the governments fault” No it’s a fucking virus.

Yes lockdown and restrictions and stuff is shit. Because it’s a pandemic. “stop saying it’s a pandemic” No, because it is a pandemic. I understand we are all human, that’s why the world is vulnerable. We have a battle to fight, but current labour voters are fighting the wrong one! Until you lot change your mindset and stop supporting and copying a shit bunch of pointless politicians (bar kier, sometimes ok, but he’s got dragged in with the nutters now) then Labour don’t ever stand a chance.

Kier has an entire shit party behind him. And seemingly shit supporters. Blame that.

Because we're all stressed about everything else

@CorianderBee

Because we're all stressed about everything else

Speak for yourself I’m not Busy Very busy But enjoying life especially not life feels so much more normal But even when it wasn’t, life felt good

I don’t care about track and trace because it was an attempt to deal with the situation. Brits didn’t rise to the occasion, so it failed.
Over with now

@Sometimesfraught82 for families who have lost loved ones it’s not ‘over with’
There has been utter failure and contempt for the public at times by this Government, which has caused deaths that could potentially have been avoided.
I understand people want to get on and enjoy life - I do and I am too!
That doesn’t mean we can just ignore some of the things that will have a long term impact on us. Like wasting billions of pounds on contracts to companies that can’t deliver and then denying money to our schools to enable recovery for our children and young people.

I think a lot of people aren't bothered about it not working because it never really worked so it's not missed and the thought of being contacted and told to stay at home on my own as a single mum with 2 young children because someone parked in their car next to mine (for example) and now I'm at risk baffles and stresses me out!
I'm speaking on behalf of me and my friends, it never made sense and was never sustainable.
I'd rather have to test myself every single day then sign up and be tracked.

Friend works for T and T BIGGEST problem is people giving false details and wrong numbers who do we blame for that ?

[quote Moonme]@Sometimesfraught82 for families who have lost loved ones it’s not ‘over with’
There has been utter failure and contempt for the public at times by this Government, which has caused deaths that could potentially have been avoided.
I understand people want to get on and enjoy life - I do and I am too!
That doesn’t mean we can just ignore some of the things that will have a long term impact on us. Like wasting billions of pounds on contracts to companies that can’t deliver and then denying money to our schools to enable recovery for our children and young people.[/quote]
But what does blaming a system that the government introduced but WE didn’t properly use do?

We were to blame! British society. It would have worked if had been employed by the masses.

So who are you angry with?

@november90

I think a lot of people aren't bothered about it not working because it never really worked so it's not missed and the thought of being contacted and told to stay at home on my own as a single mum with 2 young children because someone parked in their car next to mine (for example) and now I'm at risk baffles and stresses me out! I'm speaking on behalf of me and my friends, it never made sense and was never sustainable. I'd rather have to test myself every single day then sign up and be tracked.

So you didn’t use?

Nor did I as also single parent

So we are the contributory factors to its failure!

@Sometimesfraught82 you can’t blame the public for the failures with it. A multi billion pound contract should have had ample ability to be effective. It was their job to make it work.

@Sometimesfraught82 TBH I never used the app because I live in Lancashire and we've been on local lockdowns pretty much the whole time and I've avoided places I would need to provide my details. Would I use an app which is notoriously known for being completely useless and provide all my information and whereabouts if my little town ever came out of lockdown and I actually was able to get out.... ummm no I wouldn't.

It relied on people using it.

The overwhelmingly majority didn’t.

Because they didn’t want to risk being notified to quarantine

Me included

So short of the government forcing us to, what could they do?

[quote november90]@Sometimesfraught82 TBH I never used the app because I live in Lancashire and we've been on local lockdowns pretty much the whole time and I've avoided places I would need to provide my details. Would I use an app which is notoriously known for being completely useless and provide all my information and whereabouts if my little town ever came out of lockdown and I actually was able to get out.... ummm no I wouldn't.[/quote]
Provide “all your information and whereabouts” to whom? The government?

If this was why you wouldn’t, then irrespective of whether it worked or not - the entire concept was abhorrent to you rather than the system itself being a failing

@Sometimesfraught82 oh calm down and stop selective reading. If you take a breath and read my post properly you would see that I said I I wouldn't give my information to an app which has completely failed and the entire nation are aware of this. If I can't trust an app to work properly with all them millions of pounds and intelligence behind it, why should I trust it with my info?! I just simple haven't been going places I would give it so how about you just stop directing your aggression towards me because I'm having a nice day, thanks.

Calm down... love that!

I’m never bothered with it
And really don’t give a hoot about the pandemic anymore as I’m seeing friends and family, sun is shining, I’m back in the office (love my colleagues and work) and, most importantly - my children love their school and.. they’re at school.

So all good here
Every now and then I love wading in on a covid thread!

God forbid the gov knew you were at local cafe last week!

[quote Moonme]@Sometimesfraught82 you can’t blame the public for the failures with it. A multi billion pound contract should have had ample ability to be effective. It was their job to make it work.[/quote]

Perhaps you could explain how you would have ensured people provided correct contact information and complied with the guidance from the tracing agents?

Test & Trace has certainly had many issues, I am the first one to agree with that, but it can never work without public support and compliance and we definitely don't have that.

All the negative press and mounting complaints over the last 18 months have created a public lack of trust, making it a self perpetuating failure really.

Local authority teams should have handled TnT and pay given to those forced to isolate.
With no or little help, people don't use the app, don't isolate, don't get tested, carry on going to work.

As for fraud? well the Govt has allowed plenty of that with holiday homes that aren't, getting 10k and pseudo businesses claiming billions, then businesses claiming furlough when their workers aren't.

IF there is any meaningful inquiry (i don't think there will even be a whitewashed one) maybe some of this will be examined but the trouble with the UK's public inquiries is that no one is ever held to account i.e. jailed.

my children love their school and.. they’re at school.

There are 53,000 CEV children in the UK.

When people refer to the 'elderly and vulnerable', many forget that includes a sizeable minority of children.

With masks no longer required in (UK) schools, a working T&T would help protect vulnerable children.

Unlike some other countries, CEV children under 16 (many of whom were until recently shielding) have not yet been prioritised for vaccination.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/10/children-disabilities-priority-vaccination-england-education-shielding

It's a totally shit IT system and I say that as a very experienced programmer.

As others have said, sometimes it doesnt even scan a QR code but I can point my phone at one, see it not work, walk in anyway with my tracing always off.

[quote Tealightsandd]my children love their school and.. they’re at school.

There are 53,000 CEV children in the UK.

When people refer to the 'elderly and vulnerable', many forget that includes a sizeable minority of children.

With masks no longer required in (UK) schools, a working T&T would help protect vulnerable children.

Unlike some other countries, CEV children under 16 (many of whom were until recently shielding) have not yet been prioritised for vaccination.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/10/children-disabilities-priority-vaccination-england-education-shielding[/quote]
But massive majority of those vulnerable children aren’t succumbing to covid even without a working T&T?