Why is hardly anyone talking about the total failure if track and trace?

[Moonme]

I started a thread a few weeks ago saying how angry I was with the government for letting the delta variant in but I’m even more cross now it’s so wide spread in so many areas. With our ‘world beating’ test and trace should we not have been able to keep on top of cases and stop the wider spread? Where has the billions of pounds been spent?
Hardly anyone seems to be mentioning this on any media outlets. Why aren’t we holding this government to account for this?

Thanks for that @trappedsincesundaymorn but when you just want order a take away or get a coffee you don’t really have time argue with the person there about accessibility. I suppose I could spend next 10 years sending it to every company and ask what they will do about it but not holding my breath!

I suppose I could spend next 10 years sending it to every company and ask what they will do about it but not holding my breath

Literally what I am doing every single day in my job.

@Moonme

We had a handle on it until the new variant came in so why would it be effective in the future if you are saying it couldn’t have been used now?

We get a handle on it due to lockdown, restrictions and WEATHER. We inevitably lose this when we open up and people relax because we don’t have anywhere near herd immunity yet. Then infection levels get too high (because no herd immunity yet) and T&T is pointless. People don’t like or comply with T&T for obvious reasons (explained earlier). For it to work it needs tightening up (explained earlier). People won’t want that yet.

I personally don’t think that the recent rise in cases are (necessarily) wholly down to just being a new variant! Or that the winter peak was down to the Kent variant. (That was a result of schools bubbling away for months and then Xmas shopping speeding up spread in adults. Combine that with WINTER and Xmas mixing indoors and boom). OK it MIGHT be down to just variants, but how do we know for sure that these particular variants definitely caused all of the acceleration? How do we know that this virus doesn’t bubble away low-level for longer than we actually thought it did because loads of people are immune already and many are asymptomatic (not spreading it as fast) We don’t know figures/data for that, so we don’t know. Yes we’re rightly paranoid about variants but we don’t know that a different variant is the CAUSE of the rise, it could just be slow bubbling before the boom.

Not sure I’ve explained my thoughts well there, but what we need is herd immunity and then changes to T&T (when people are actually ready and want it) to manage little, rare outbursts.

Hopefully.

@Moonme

Ok sorry. Easier answer. Because vaccination programme.

Whether it works or not isn’t the case it’s that it shouldn’t have cost so darn much .

@2020isnotbehaving

I think it’s more T&T who need to be aware of this rather than the businesses serving you drinks. Because they forward your details/number to T&T don’t they??

Whatever folk feel about Nicola Sturgeon (Scotland) and Mark Drakeford (Wales), they have at least had BSL signers at their televised press conferences throughout the pandemic. Compare and contrast with the press conferences in Westminster presided over by Johnson, Hancock, et al.

That’s in court 16th June.

@2020isnotbehaving

But the cafe/business sometimes ring to give you a heads up first. (That’s when people know not to answer their phone isn’t it).

The success was down to us

And loads couldn’t be bothered with it

I sure as heck couldn’t be! So I don’t blame the government (only for perhaps naivety in thinking Brits would actually utilise it!)

@Jennyfromtheculdesac

You only have to read threads on here to realise that one of the reasons for failure is the refusal of some members of the public to isolate when asked to.

Along with those who state they give false details when asked, have gone out when a positive test in the household, claim they don’t need to test as know it’s just a cough etc.

Frankly, this past 18 months has been so shit, I don’t have the energy to be angry or care about politics. I’ve spent 18 months trying my damn hardest to make sure my young kids aren’t too affected & their life is happy. Right now, I’m busy focusing on my families happiness & well-being. Making up for lost time with friends & family. I’ve been so bloody happy the last few weeks, it’s really been a good time. I don’t take any of it for granted anymore.

I refuse to waste summer & freedom feeling angry & stewing on politics & the news when it is something so far outside my control. There’ll be a time & a place, now isn’t it.

Test and trace is not accompanied by support to isolate, so people who are living hand to mouth or in fear of their jobs do not do so. Then there are those such as Michael Gove who are not doing so in all but name under some special arrangement, no sanction for failure to do so, and those who just don't follow rules (and have plenty of role models in the Conservative Party).

Then the failure of government to do basic things to reduce the spread such as placing India on the red list at the same time as Pakistan, means people don't feel as obliged.

OP, people do not see an alternative to the worst government in history and the so-called opposition are not very good. The Tories even gained council seats in May. So too many people do not want to hold the government to account, or are just bored with politics.

Yes I do have to say Gove's ability to worm out of track and trace erased the tiniest iota of wanting to do the right thing for me.

Apparently only plebs need to follow isolation.

@rookiemere

Have u even bothered reading the full thread and thinking about it? Or not?

@rookiemere

Or anyone else with the same views. Have u anything constructive to add? Because that’s not. Nor are any of the other comments along the same lines. At all.

Hardly anyone seems to be mentioning this on any media outlets

Because the Tory donors own the media .

Why aren’t we holding this government to account for this?
Because people listen to the continuous Tory donor driven media that drives the narrative the Tory donors want,

@Jennyfromtheculdesac

You only have to read threads on here to realise that one of the reasons for failure is the refusal of some members of the public to isolate when asked to.

I think you have miswritten it. You only have to realise that it is the governments abject failure to support those in insecure low paid jobs to self isolate when required that has meant that track and trace was never going to work.

@Topseyt

It hardly works at all really, does it?

I was recently in an M & S café where you bought your food and coffee first and then scanned the QR code as you sat down at the table. It absolutely wouldn't scan at all and there were no staff near enough to help so I just looked as if I had scanned it and got on with my lunch. I'm not leaving it when I have paid for it. Fuck that.

DH and DD1 also had the same issue in a Wetherspoons pub when they went for lunch after he had helped her move house.

Perhaps Boris meant it was to be world beatingly crap??

I think this happens quite a lot. People do not want to be called to isolate. Having said this I think the numbers contacted by track and trace as a result of scanning this QR code are very low.

I do agree OP that the money spent on this is mind boggling and there is zero accountability for it. This government and the media in their pockets are masters at distraction and getting is all worked up on a daily basis about statues or migrants or something so we don't think too much about what's really going on.

Just curious but who actually use the official NHS Track and Trace mobile App? Apart from some frontline NHS key workers (I hope?!) am I missing something (other than contracting and spreading Covid) but does anyone seriously use this mobile app which has never been fit for purpose as a medical health and safety risk mitigation tool as simply does not work! I faithfully downloaded the official NHS App at the time of delayed second/third launch but it’s still crap in all honesty! So quickly deleted it in case of false negatives and dangerously misleading information. I have never seen anyone use it to capture the NHS QR code outside any businesses open to the public either prior to entry. A bit like Covid marshals - nothing but hot air ill thought out wishful thinking waste of money bar an opportunity for those in charge to capitalise on the strategic arbitrage to enrich mates and family rewarding incompetency with billions of tax payer funds. Naturally personal data privacy and civil rights even takes precedence over potential mass public manslaughter by stealth so unlike the classic South Korean government Covid trace, track and isolate mobile app, ours is just suitable for more corruption doggy deals and not to save lives! Nobody isolates (partially if at all fully) anyway as evidenced by the importation of Indian Delta variants of vaccine challenge. This along with our world beating British entitlement exceptionalism culture of not being scared of death nor infecting others helps to explain the UK world beating Covid per capita fatalities data plus unknown post Covid syndrome suffers being a life long illness requiring continued medical treatment. Any positives to share about the NHS Track and Trace mobile app?

I use the mobile app and check in every day at work. I also check in at the pub.
I only check in where the QR code is clearly visible on entry, I don’t go looking for it.
I’ve done this ever since the app was launched.
I’ve never been contacted as a result, or had an instruction to isolate

You only have to realise that it is the governments abject failure to support those in insecure low paid jobs to self isolate when required that has meant that track and trace was never going to work

That would be very open to abuse though wouldn’t it. Incentives to catch covid. Crikey people would be having a covid party, catching it deliberately to ‘rake it in’. Whole families, workplaces, groups of friends 😂

So Dido is going for the top NHS job. Based on my experience her first question will be "tell me about a time you've successfully delivered a large-scale health programme?"
Assuming of course she'd be interviewed like us plebs

@StealthPolarBear

So Dido is going for the top NHS job. Based on my experience her first question will be "tell me about a time you've successfully delivered a large-scale health programme?" Assuming of course she'd be interviewed like us plebs

Surely the question will be "tell us about the time you took billions of UK taxpayer money for a failed project".

@PortMerrionCentre

You’ve been using it properly and also using legit, covid secure businesses then 🙂

See it does work. When covid safety regulations are followed and businesses use T&T properly.