Exactly how much are our youngsters expected to give up?

[StayAGhost]

So after not been able to do her GCSE's, been locked down for 18 months, not able to grow and develop as a teenager should, no concerts, no Meeting with friends, no shopping or general hanging round, no holidays, no seeing grandparents the NCS have now CANCELLED their camp
For a virus that does NOT affect the young

Exactly when us enough enough??

DD sobbing in bedroom, this was what got her thru 14 assessments in 3 weeks

To take from her is cruel

And SO UNNECESSARY

@Schulte

She probably grew up in a shoebox and had nothing but cold tea all day

ha I missed the in the olden days comment

You don’t know you’re born

Oh no DS2 is going on his year 6 residential on Monday, I hope it doesn't get cancelled!

It does make me wonder if it’s the right business for you though

Quite.

I presume said poster isn’t working in a profit making business.

Or, they’ve gotten used to hefty government handouts.

Everyone I know in the private sector is chomping at the bit to be allowed to operate.

Businesses are absolutely entitled to stay closed for as long as they like, but then they are missing out on income opportunities 🤷‍♀️ My impression was that most were keen to reopen as quickly as possible...

Y’know rather than calling their customers whinging snowflakes (while also expecting to get paid).

I do think people are being very entitled about non-essential fripperies like proms and camps that we didn’t even have 30 years ago.

It's over 30s years since I started at secondary and these things did exits at the secondary I went to and the other local ones - though the proms were 6th form rtaher than Y11 - we weren't first years to do them either neither were our older siblings. There are local firms in our current location going to the wall who've been operating camps and outdoor experinces for over 40 years.

They may be more ubitous and more children have opportinties to access /experience them - but I think making out 30 years ago these things were unknown is odd.

I also think being disappointed something you've looked forward to is can't happen is human rather than snowflakery.

'Whinging is a very 21st century phenomenon. Everyone look at me! I’m disappointed/upset/offended! In the olden days we just used to get on with things instead of whinging. Life is shit. Camp is cancelled. Get over it.'

Bit harsh but true tbh. I'm sure someone will invent a teen mh long covid syndrome, instead of just accepting it is perfectly normal to feel disappointed and upset about how this last 15months has been. Let's look forward and be tentatively optimistic not sob with dc because leavers plays haven't gone ahead.

@JaniieJones

'Whinging is a very 21st century phenomenon. Everyone look at me! I’m disappointed/upset/offended! In the olden days we just used to get on with things instead of whinging. Life is shit. Camp is cancelled. Get over it.'

Bit harsh but true tbh. I'm sure someone will invent a teen mh long covid syndrome, instead of just accepting it is perfectly normal to feel disappointed and upset about how this last 15months has been. Let's look forward and be tentatively optimistic not sob with dc because leavers plays haven't gone ahead.

I don’t think it’s true at all and shows lack of consideration to downplay impact on others not in your age group.

The sooner we are unconnected on health basis the better, as this post is somewhat irritating.

‘ I'm sure someone will invent a teen mh long covid syndrome, instead of just accepting it is perfectly normal to feel disappointed and upset about how this last 15months has been. ’

I hope you’re not one of those people who think people with mental health issues should just ‘man up and get over it’

I don’t know a single private business that is /was not desperate to reopen as normal

Both my parents were born shortly after ww2 both had school residentials and leaving events at their schools 🙄. Which they recall fondly 60 odd years later. Hardly a recent phenomenon 🙄🙄🙄. Of course we are bucking up and getting on with it not weeping and wailing but I’m not budging it’s shit for the kids missing life events end of primary / end of secondary and university students way worse than for us plodding mid lifers.

I don’t know a single private business that is /was not desperate to reopen as normal

I do, I know quite a few in fact through my job.

I agree OP.

To make it worse my DC has been fully vaccinated as an older teen with an underlying condition.

There is no benefit to them or society for sitting locked at home, it is just to make them 'equal' with those who aren't vaccianted.

No other country is doing this to vaccinated people. All other countries give vaccinated people more freedom, apart from countries where there were hardly any restrictions anyway.

i say this, because your DC are likely to be vaccinated by the next school year. And this shit will continue.

Fully vaccinated children with negative tests sat at home because the teaching unions won't have them in a classroom. Or because the government have no backbone or prioritize pubs and holidays to Portugal.

It's a race to a lowest common denominator, and education is not a priority for these people.

By DC cannot get the work experience they need to apply to university. Only student with family connections can get in the back door. So the government won't know how damaging these restrictions are on the future prospects of normal young people.

I do, I know quite a few in fact through my job.

Are they sitting on very comfortable government support packages by any chance?

'Both my parents were born shortly after ww2 both had school residentials and leaving events at their schools'

It is hard to plan ahead with an infectious disease though.

Parents of younger dc or teens leaving secondary school just need to be a bit creative, as the weather is glorious celebrations can be outdoors that is all. Not the end of the world is it.

@Hellocatshome

I don’t know a single private business that is /was not desperate to reopen as normal

I do, I know quite a few in fact through my job.

What type of businesss?

Those in charge: government, teachers unions, teachers, have ensured the only things happening in schools are the essentials, so that means assessments and exams.
It is a miserable world for the students right now.
Plus those in years 10 and 12 have the worst of all worlds: they have undergoing unofficial and unapproved and unregulated and inconsistent continuous assessment so the teachers can cover themselves if they have to give assessed grades again, while having to prepare for full exams next summer.

It is misery.

I know a record shop, hasnt reopened still claiming full furlough, no reason why they can't be open.

A takeaway that has been shut since January for no reason still claiming full furlough.

Thats just off the top of my head.

@Hellocatshome

I know a record shop, hasnt reopened still claiming full furlough, no reason why they can't be open.

A takeaway that has been shut since January for no reason still claiming full furlough.

Thats just off the top of my head.

What are the reasons though? Maybe they’re struggling to re open

I thought businesses and staff found furlough ok for staff but support for SME was now becoming strained

Certainly any one I’ve heard talk about it is desperate to open

@randomlyLostInWales

I do think people are being very entitled about non-essential fripperies like proms and camps that we didn’t even have 30 years ago.

It's over 30s years since I started at secondary and these things did exits at the secondary I went to and the other local ones - though the proms were 6th form rtaher than Y11 - we weren't first years to do them either neither were our older siblings. There are local firms in our current location going to the wall who've been operating camps and outdoor experinces for over 40 years.

They may be more ubitous and more children have opportinties to access /experience them - but I think making out 30 years ago these things were unknown is odd.

I also think being disappointed something you've looked forward to is can't happen is human rather than snowflakery.

Yep, I went to camps and school holidays and had school discos and big sixth form leaving do's 30 years ago.

'I hope you’re not one of those people who think people with mental health issues should just ‘man up and get over it’

Of course not, I've empathy for those with genuine mh issues. The problem is many people seem to think feeling normal human emotions such as worry and disappointment is 'having mh problems'.

The more we keep telling our dc their generation has suffered the most the more they'll be stuck in the negativity of the last year. Schools are open, leisure and hospitality etc all open there is a lot to be optimistic about.

What are the reasons though? Maybe they’re struggling to re open

As far as I can tell no reason, both family businesses fully staffed by family, no one is ok the sick, record shop has an online element they aren't even using (They could just work when an order comes in and clajm flexi furlough but they are not) Every other takeaway I deal with has been doing good business and certainly were in Jan to early April when pubs and restaurants were shut.

@Hellocatshome

What are the reasons though? Maybe they’re struggling to re open

As far as I can tell no reason, both family businesses fully staffed by family, no one is ok the sick, record shop has an online element they aren't even using (They could just work when an order comes in and clajm flexi furlough but they are not) Every other takeaway I deal with has been doing good business and certainly were in Jan to early April when pubs and restaurants were shut.

Maybe just anomalies

I wouldn’t say it’s the general feeling

@JaniieJones

'I hope you’re not one of those people who think people with mental health issues should just ‘man up and get over it’

Of course not, I've empathy for those with genuine mh issues. The problem is many people seem to think feeling normal human emotions such as worry and disappointment is 'having mh problems'.

The more we keep telling our dc their generation has suffered the most the more they'll be stuck in the negativity of the last year. Schools are open, leisure and hospitality etc all open there is a lot to be optimistic about.

Yes there is

I refute the snowflake / whinger phrase though and think it lacking understanding and mean spirited (and lacking any gratitude)

It makes me want them to rebound faster from having to do this

I agree @JaniieJones. While I think it is pretty rubbish for young people to miss out on these things it is important to manage expectations and lead them through it to learn resilience and coping with disappointment. Any plans or events that my teens have planned ahead such as festivals they are aware that there is no certainty that they will go ahead. We had hoped to do last year's holiday abroad this year but now that's out the window. We are very disappointed but it's not the end of the world, I talk about what other plans we will make instead and we move on.